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Self-evident

June 18, 2013

1. The American dollar is quickly becoming replaced on the world stage. It will soon lose the status of the world’s “reserve currency”. 2....

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spike2

Jun-20-13 8:35 AM

Well Bobbie, like it or not he is African-American under the US definition. We do not have a pick your race option at your own discretion. If you are 50% you are African-American. Many of the following enumerations apply to years of government behavior by both parties. Admitting that all parties are guilty might add to your appeal.Suicide has nothing to do with a president. You might want to re-examine the psych services offered, the distance from the vets, homelessness among vets and so on. Why not pick one of those issues and work on it rather than endless negative rants? Oh, right, educating the public about your politics is more important than say working for additional aid to veterans.

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spike2

Jun-19-13 11:02 PM

Bobbie, your mastery of the english language, your ability to think critically, and to express yourself as any educated individual continues to amaze us all. you certainly are a disgruntled curmudgeon. Stew all night.

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WKnapp

Jun-19-13 8:35 PM

I thought it unnecessary to address the other foolish gems noted in that post. They're just as stupid and baseless, so I'll let them fall of their own weight.

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WKnapp

Jun-19-13 8:29 PM

CMReeder

Jun-19-13 7:53 AM

"Why the right would not vote him;

#1 He's considered black

#2 He gives away their money

#3 They think they are moral."

#1 Race was NEVER a consideration. It was PURELY what was known of his experience (ZERO) and his proposed policies (communist). PERIOD. Of course, racists can only imagine that it's a racial thing, because that's what dominates their mental process. They set quotas, then try to mask it by calling them "goals and guidelines". It's strange, but most times, the biggest racists are the first to charge OTHERS with racism.

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spike2

Jun-19-13 1:09 PM

Bobbie - Here you go again. You have absolutely zero knowledge of how many times I have voted out of party.You can not move people to your party when you make statements offering immediate exclusion. You aren't a big tent, you are a sandwich bag over someones head. Very catty but not an effective tool to gain support. How do you appeal to these groups? First stop the constant denigration. Second, find a way. If you don't, you will lose. The math is against you.

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spike2

Jun-19-13 11:52 AM

Continue to hedge your bets on: #1 He's considered black

#2 He gives away government money

and you will lose again in 2016. If your party continues to divide into Tea Party, Rhino's(as you call them), ideological pac's, etc. you will lose. Until you appeal to more women, the youth vote, and OMG, minorities, you will lose. You can harp on single issues but without one person to truly coalesce behind, you will lose. Your next nomination determines the future of your fractured party. Who is nominated on both sides will determine who I vote for.

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spike2

Jun-19-13 11:46 AM

Bobbie - you drone on. I personally did not vote for Obama because he is "black". I don't know how I would have voted in '08 had Hillary received the nomination. I don't think Romney was a good choice. Unfortunately, a poor field existed as early as the primaries. This was also political strategy. Why run your best against an incumbent. Perhaps the GOP will become united in 2016. That is the choice of the party, stay fractured or unite behind one individual. "He gives away government money" - I assume you are referring to "food stamps". "Food stamps" are based on income. Do you really want someone who is a displaced worker, actually seeking work to have no help? Of course there is abuse. No one will ever create any program without an opportunity for abuse. Isn't it abuse when politicians attach special projects to a bill to agree to vote yea? Perhaps less time should be spent on calling others idiots and look towards

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JohnZook

Jun-19-13 10:32 AM

Reeder- Where are all the Dems who publicly disagree with ANYTHING this President does? Do they question the inability for anyone involved in all these scandals to know anything? Yes, they sit in on investigations, but only as window dressing. They are Mind Numbed Robots, ready to do what ever Dear Leader requires. No need to tell them what to do, they agree "lock, stock, and barrel." (A little local colloquialism)

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CMReeder

Jun-19-13 7:55 AM

It would be illegal for corporations to use any kind of force or fraud to control people; only government can legally use force to control people. "There’s the exception of people using force in self-defense, but some often question even that. If being controlled bothers you, blame government."

That is the mantra of the right, "BLAME GOVERNMENT" even when it is not true.

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CMReeder

Jun-19-13 7:53 AM

Why the right would not vote him;

#1 He's considered black

#2 He gives away their money

#3 They think they are moral.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-19-13 6:40 AM

There is a third reason.....

#3 He openly supports immoral activities and gets the votes of these groups.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-18-13 8:37 PM

"The promises of the Great Society have been shot down on the fields of Vietnam and the Middle East, making the POOR of all racial heritages, political backgrounds, and religious beliefs, bear the heaviest burden, both at the front and here at home."---Erdman

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That is one of the reasons that we have public education so that people can learn and work hard to improve their lot in life.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-18-13 6:52 PM

Jerry: I draw your attention to #8, where the letter's author suggests the nation's military is more trusted with our freedoms than our elected representatives.

I'm not sure if that is what the letter writer is saying but the fact of the matter is, the one thing that brings republicans and democrats together is the respect that most have for our military. Imagine if our leaders in Washington worked to earn that same respect. The problem is they don't even respect each other.

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eriklatranyi

Jun-18-13 6:15 PM

Liberals are starting to see cracks in the black vote. That explains their push for amnesty.....hispanics to replace blacks.

If amnesty passes, watch how liberals will turn on black citizens, just as they have sided with environmentalists over industrial unions.

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JerryfromRI

Jun-18-13 5:14 PM

I draw your attention to #8, where the letter's author suggests the nation's military is more trusted with our freedoms than our elected representatives.

That should give everyone pause.

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Erdman

Jun-18-13 4:41 PM

The promises of the Great Society have been shot down on the fields of Vietnam and the Middle East, making the POOR of all racial heritages, political backgrounds, and religious beliefs, bear the heaviest burden, both at the front and here at home.

Don't let anyone make you think that God chose this country as His divine messianic force to be, a policeman for the whole world. Perhaps we need to question our flawed, arrogant foreign policy. A need for unity is upon us.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Martin Luther King, words that ring true today.

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Premier

Jun-18-13 3:49 PM

Johnnyad3: "All hearsay. According to TANF, there are 2.2 million adults collecting from the system. If all of them voted, and I seriously doubt ALL of them voted, that's about 3% of Obama's total vote. "

What liberal source did you get this info from? Try 100 million not 2.2 million on some form of welfare. That's 100 million. Since our state and federal government spent 1.03 trillion in 2011 on low income assistance programs by your figure we spent $468,181 per recipient.

Care to clarify those number and the percentage who voted Obama?

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philunderwood

Jun-18-13 3:01 PM

Anyone with an ounce of objectivity should easily recognize race has nothing to do with crime and other social problems. These problems are due to people’s values and choices. Anyone of any race or group can make poor choices and lack values.

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philunderwood

Jun-18-13 2:53 PM

Johnny, all special interests lobby to get favors in the form of laws and regulations passed by government. Government uses force to enforce the laws and regulations. In this way the special interests can gain advantages that would be illegal if they did it on their own. One example is laws and regulations that favor large companies over smaller companies. Large companies can have lawyers, accountants and lobbyists on staff, while smaller companies can’t afford to. Another example is laws against monopolies, which stifle competition from successful companies and work against the consumer. How about regulations that stifle competition from newcomers by making it next to impossible to enter the business.

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rmiller

Jun-18-13 2:50 PM

cont.

I have managed to debate with some liberals on this forum and parted company with conservative on some issues and still hold discussion with again and again. Those who are liberal and voted for Obama and will not come to terms with his manipulation, deceit, lies, failures (beyond just mistakes) and strong handed tactics with both Congress and The Senate, along with all the dirt and grime that preceded his election....have done so because they want to proclaim somehow they are better than the rest of us...they voted for a black person..they have even become smug and often downright hateful in discussion. These same person accuse us of holding onto our guns (seems that came from somewhere around 2008)are clinging to a dream in their own minds. And, it is those persons (who if this election was legit) voted Obama in, not once, but twice because of s simple word called PRIDE. For every assault verbally on this forum, Obama is in the mix..get it...he is dividing!

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rmiller

Jun-18-13 2:43 PM

johnnyad,

You can deceive yourself, and attempt to deceive others who may be gullible, but this election was not won by Obama. The political "machine" is only as effective as the operators, period!

Spike,

While I agree with your assertion that most people forget about the "professional blacks" among us, I'd like to share an experience with you. I worked two places during the elections. Two black people (women) who were clearly professional, stated they were unequivocally not voting for Obama and they resented being lumped into the category of any person, living on welfare who voted for him, strictly on color.

What started out to be an enigma in our history, has morphed into a boomerang that is coming back to bite, all people of all races and all cultures. This man, singlehandedly has succeeded in dividing this country, and this forum speaks to it...all of us..more or less guilty of being pawns to his craftiness.

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johnnyad3

Jun-18-13 1:07 PM

I think illegal activity is illegal activity whether they use government or not.

Phil, for the sake of discussion, maybe it would help me if you provided an example.

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spike2

Jun-18-13 1:04 PM

He won 93 percent of African-Americans, 71 percent of Hispanics, and 73 percent of Asians. He took 55 percent of the overall female vote,and 41% of white male vote. 93 million eligible voters did not vote. Seriously, "Frankly, I know several very successful, very good people of different races than my own, several of them live within this city actually.". I have 2 minority member families in my block that have incomes exceeding $75,000 per year without the income of their wives. These men all have college degrees. I believe folks in Williamsport fail to recognize the number of minority professionals in our area. These are the people who go unnoticed in the news. I think we voted for him a second time because we believe Romney is worse. If the GOP had run Christie,the outcome would have been closer. I see the same mistake about to happen again. The GOP has more factions than the Democrats. A mess results.

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johnnyad3

Jun-18-13 1:01 PM

"My point was, that Obama, wisely targeted certain classes and races, and at least in the first election, it played to his advantage."

Don't all politicians play that game? Didn't Romney? Romney pandered to the extreme right in the primaries saying this and that about, for instance, immigration. After he got the nomination, he played his etch-a-sketch game and retracted his position hoping to get the Latino vote.

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wwhickok

Jun-18-13 12:06 PM

First of all Johnny, fair enough. I think it's more accurate to say more Hispanics and African Americans voted for him the first time than the second actually, because he didn't do much for them the first time around.

As for the white americans voting, ain't got an answer there. I am a white American and I voted for Romney, not because I thought he'd be better, but because I thought Obama was worse. Also, to clarify something I said, and in reference to Zook's Response, my intent wasn't to suggest that A) Only African American's or Hispanics collect Welfare or that B) All Hispanics or African American's do. Frankly, I know several very successful, very good people of different races than my own, several of them live within this city actually.

My point was, that Obama, wisely targeted certain classes and races, and at least in the first election, it played to his advantage.

I couldn't begin to explain why anyone voted for him the second time around.

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