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What kind of government

June 22, 2013

What type of government employs massive data collection on its citizens? What type of government monitors its citizen's activities? What type of government uses its coercive powers to discriminat......

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CHayes

Jun-23-13 9:23 AM

"Now how about you calling out the hypocrisy on your side."

What hypocrisy? The warrantless wiretaps of Americans have ended.

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CHayes

Jun-23-13 9:21 AM

"Come back with a justification other than "Bush did it, too" & you may earn some credibility."

NOWHERE on this thread did I justify anything by saying "Bush did it". In fact Bush did it wrong, like just about everything else he did. President Obama managed to remove my biggest objections to the program.

You want a justification for it? Two words. Martin Richard, the 8 year old blown up at the Boston Marathon. That's what happens when the program fails. 8 year olds get blown to pink mist in the streets of the US. You may find that appealing, because you think you can blame the President for something, but myself, I'd simply like to prevent that.

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gavinf56

Jun-23-13 8:40 AM

Yep Chuck, and I have even called them out on it. Now how about you calling out the hypocrisy on your side.

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CMReeder

Jun-23-13 8:38 AM

Not all.

You know when the right can stop lumping all things they hate as liberal maybe just maybe they would not get lump altogether as one either.

Majority of right wing people approved of the Patriot Act and mining of information and data from communications.

As a matter of fact a majority of the people who post here were in favor of it also now they are not. You all asked for this.

By the way accepting it under one administration means that you fully accept it under another one. Congress easily approved the Patriot Act and easily approved it the second time. Right/left, Republican/Democrat they approved it. There was very little objection from the public.

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GoBB62

Jun-23-13 7:57 AM

Hazy, obviously you haven't learned that two wrongs don't make a right.

Come back with a justification other than "Bush did it, too" & you may earn some credibility.

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gavinf56

Jun-23-13 7:37 AM

"The conservatives here are all officially on crack. You ALL supported the Bush surveillance program that included the vacuuming up of the VERY same data that we're talking about AND actual warrantless wiretaps on the content of phone calls of US citizens." - CHayes

Tsk, tsk. Not "ALL", you know better.

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CHayes

Jun-23-13 2:51 AM

So clearly then you aren't capable of disputing my allegations. Not that that's possible.

So since you can't dispute them, allow me to ask you a question or two.

Did you support President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program?

Did you ever send a letter to the paper supporting that program, like probably at least 3 of the other posters here, that have seemingly had a sudden and mysterious change of heart?

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GoBB62

Jun-23-13 1:29 AM

WOW hazy! You, Hillary & Beavis doing Cornholio are all doing the same thing.

LOL!

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CHayes

Jun-23-13 1:19 AM

The conservatives here are all officially on crack. You ALL supported the Bush surveillance program that included the vacuuming up of the VERY same data that we're talking about AND actual warrantless wiretaps on the content of phone calls of US citizens. Some of you admit to even writing letters to the paper supporting the program.

But fast forward to today. Now we have a program that has the EXACT SAME collection of phone and email metadata that the Bush program had, BUT no longer allows the warrantless wire taps of the communications of US citizens EVEN IF THEY ARE ABROAD, and you're suddenly going crazy.

It's a jarringly indefensible position, even for you all.

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CHayes

Jun-23-13 1:12 AM

"FACEBOOK

Total U.S. requests for user data: 9,000 to 10,000

Time period: July 1, 2012 to Dec. 31, 2012"

Does anyone here know how many posts were made on Facebook in 2012? I sure don't know, but I do know there are over 1 BILLION users currently using Facebook, IOW about one in 7 inhabitants of our entire planet use Facebook. And how many requests were there? 9,000-10,000? Oh, I see.

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CHayes

Jun-23-13 1:02 AM

"Good posts and stats, Erik."

So can ask Ritty, do YOU understand what metadata is?

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GoBB62

Jun-23-13 12:40 AM

Nope, apparently erik thinks its OK to talk about his divorce. Apparently you missed the part of the conversation where he assured us all that he didn't post any private info on his Facebook page that he had a problem with anyone knowing. And that makes sense, because new found privacy advocate erik, that wholeheartedly supported President Bush's warrantless wiretapping, doesn't use in the most basic privacy filters Facebook offers.

Put your left spin in

Pull your left spin out

Put your left spin in

And shake it all about

Do the hokey-pokey cause that's what you're all about.

In '16 the libs are out!!!!

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Ritty77

Jun-23-13 12:02 AM

Good posts and stats, Erik.

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CHayes

Jun-22-13 11:50 PM

Whoooo let the sock puppet out? Woof! Woof!

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CHayes

Jun-22-13 11:48 PM

" But hazy seems to think it's OK to talk about Erik's divorce?"

Nope, apparently erik thinks its OK to talk about his divorce. Apparently you missed the part of the conversation where he assured us all that he didn't post any private info on his Facebook page that he had a problem with anyone knowing. And that makes sense, because new found privacy advocate erik, that wholeheartedly supported President Bush's warrantless wiretapping, doesn't use in the most basic privacy filters Facebook offers.

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valves

Jun-22-13 11:07 PM

CHayes

Jun-22-13 7:51 PM

So while we're asking erik some questions erik, can you describe your understanding of the term "metadata"?

"Total U.S. requests for user data, including FISA requests: 6,000 to 7,000"

You understand a "FISA request, is a court order (aka a "warrant") right?

And you understand, Peabrain, that the two operative terms in this comment were "total" and "including", right Mr. Personality, huh? Had "total" been used, but not specifically "including" the FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE ACT figures, you'd have found fault with that. You're just being the silly little intellectual flyweight that you are. Oy, dealing with idiots!

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CHayes

Jun-22-13 10:01 PM

And still no word from erik about what he thinks "metadata" is. It's pretty odd that someone would want to get involved in a discussion of the govt getting people's metadata, when they apparently don't even know what metadata is.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-22-13 9:59 PM

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CHayes

Jun-22-13 9:24 PM

Maybe I'll swing by and say hello if I can get free.

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JerryfromRI

Jun-22-13 9:13 PM

Gabe has jumped the shark this time.

The protesters will be back Monday at 6:30pm. So will I. Join us.

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JerryfromRI

Jun-22-13 9:10 PM

The Mayor had the basketball hoops taken down at Memorial Park to punish the community because of littering taking place near the basketball courts.

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CHayes

Jun-22-13 9:03 PM

Stupid question Jerry, but what was the protest protesting? I saw people standing along the street holding signs, but couldn't read any of them.

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JerryfromRI

Jun-22-13 8:25 PM

Footage of protesters at Memorial Park Saturday night.

goo[dot]gl/gmkCK

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CHayes

Jun-22-13 7:51 PM

So while we're asking erik some questions erik, can you describe your understanding of the term "metadata"?

"Total U.S. requests for user data, including FISA requests: 6,000 to 7,000"

You understand a "FISA request, is a court order (aka a "warrant") right?

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CHayes

Jun-22-13 7:45 PM

Does your browser accept cookies too erik? If so, apparently you consider where you travel on the internet to be in the same category as what you post.

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