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Credibility at stake

June 22, 2013

The post-modern Left has replaced reality with narrative and they no longer try to hide it....

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spike2

Jun-23-13 11:30 AM

Nice post Kerstetter. Agree!

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mikekerstetter

Jun-23-13 6:07 AM

CHayes-"I most certainly do not, for two very real reasons.

1) Human beings aren't born craving intimate relationships with their parent or child."

I beg to disagree. Intimate relationships aren't necessarily sexual. Intimate relationships are at the heart of most families and some friendships. Sexual relationships are a different matter.

CHayes-"2) A child cannot consent to sex."

True, by law a child cannot consent to sex. We, as a society, have decided to make a Moral Law which says that a person under a certain age doesn't have the mental ability to know what they are consenting to and doesn't have the mental capacity to make a good decision. And then if that same person who is too young to consent or make those decisions kills someone, we try them as an Adult in our court system because they should know better.

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USABorn

Jun-23-13 4:30 AM

MrShaman - 6:28 AM

"LOL!!!!! That'd be Axis-Of-Ignorance...and, you've proven my point."

Usual crap!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks!!

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USABorn

Jun-23-13 4:26 AM

MrShaman - 8:44 AM

"...At least, "Unarguable by anyone" who prefers FAUX Noise/Porky Limbaugh over unedited-news."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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tpowell

Jun-22-13 11:21 PM

I am still waiting for the male to give birth because it was fathered by his male partner. Likewise on the female/female relationship.

I am still waiting for this Jesus fella to come back. I wonder which "unnatural" thing will happen first? :)

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CHayes

Jun-22-13 8:28 PM

"Do you support the non-traditional incestuous relationship between a father and daughter or mother and son? "

I most certainly do not, for two very real reasons.

1) Human beings aren't born craving intimate relationships with their parent or child.

2) A child cannot consent to sex.

Ever notice that you've never heard of a parent/child incestuous relationship that involved 2 consenting adults? Why do you think that might be?

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msgjsheets

Jun-22-13 7:18 PM

If Shaman shared some of his meds with Hayes would either one of them start to make any sense?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-22-13 5:43 PM

mikekerstetter, :-) Some of the things that you read today are discussed in the book I referenced. You might get you hands on it. Have a blessed Sunday.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-22-13 5:36 PM

"The argument against anything but traditional families is based upon opinion."

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Do you support the non-traditional incestuous relationship between a father and daughter or mother and son? Or maybe the man and beast? Or maybe the traveling salesman with families in several cities? Or the polygamist?

I am still waiting for the male to give birth because it was fathered by his male partner. Likewise on the female/female relationship. These relationships do not sustain the human race; they are unnatural and do not comply with the moral law programmed into us by our Creator. Love, care, and compassion should be provided to the homosexual.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-22-13 5:35 PM

"when a fertilized egg becomes an individual and therefore has the right to life, is open to judgment; issues such as this need to be decided by law, not personal opinion."

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We do follow the laws as put into place by our government. But we can and should change these laws when they conflict with the moral law implanted into humans by the Creator.

"the developmental requirements of the baby in the womb are exactly those of babies outside the womb. There are four basic things that an unborn child needs to reach adulthood: time, air, water, and food. These are the same four things that a two-year old child needs to reach adulthood." --Page 155, "Legalizing Morality" by Geisler and Turek.

Love, care, and compassion should be provided to the mother, no matter what her choice.

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CHayes

Jun-22-13 5:28 PM

"A good example is the claim the IRS scandal was limited to the Cincinnati office and one person there, who claims to be a Republican, says the white House had nothing to do with it. We're supposed to simply accept it and move on"

Whoa there just a minute Phil, the person that has been blocking the release of this individual's testimony, is Daryl Issa. Are you saying he's a member of "the left"?

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CHayes

Jun-22-13 5:26 PM

Pretty weak Phil. Please explain how the following passage from your letter jibes with your contention that the narratives of the right are OK:

"Narrative isn't about reality, which they deny anyway, narrative is what you want to believe and can try and convince others to believe. They like to use misdirection such as finding a single part of an issue that can used to discredit the entire issue."

Quite honestly, the first thing your passage from the letter reminds me of, is how we've just watched the spectacle of the American right unsuccessfully trying to discredit the President, and in fact the entire IRS with their false persecution narrative.

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philunderwood

Jun-22-13 1:12 PM

There’s a big difference between narrative based upon objective reality and narrative intended to convince and persuade by creating a perception as opposed to reality.

“Chicago politics” is a pretty apt description of the kind of politics we’re witnessing from our current administration IMO.

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CHayes

Jun-22-13 12:46 PM

The right NEVER uses "narratives", right Phil?

[cough] "Chicago politics" [cough]

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CHayes

Jun-22-13 12:45 PM

"The post-modern Left has replaced reality with narrative and they no longer try to hide it. Narrative isn't about reality, which they deny anyway, narrative is what you want to believe and can try and convince others to believe. They like to use misdirection such as finding a single part of an issue that can used to discredit the entire issue."

Show me your birth certificate, and while you're at it, prove to me you aren't a secret muslim/marxist/socialist/fascist.

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philunderwood

Jun-22-13 11:32 AM

Not wanting to turn this into a discussion about abortion, I’ll just say that when a fertilized egg becomes an individual and therefore has the right to life, is open to judgment; issues such as this need to be decided by law, not personal opinion.

Libertarians support individual rights and that includes the right to decide whom to marry. The argument against anything but traditional families is based upon opinion.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-22-13 10:52 AM

If libertarians use objective reality, why do they grapple with when life begins? The combination of an egg and a sperm (DNA from the mother and father) forms a new individual at conception. The moral law would provide protection for this, the weakest individual.

The libertarian supports the marriage of a male to male or female to female, i.e. an arbitrary political solution based on liberty. Whereas when you look at the historical sustainability of the human race through the millennia, it is the union of a male and female that are dedicated to each other (also supported by the natural in ter course functionality) and to create and raise their children and be involved with their children's children. The couple compliment each other in providing nurturing, love, protection, role models, teaching, correction, etc. so that the children go forth and repeat the cycle to perpetuate humanity.

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philunderwood

Jun-22-13 10:25 AM

Tex, post-moderns distrust or deny objective reality, while libertarians and other moderns use objective reality and science to establish their view of the world, so they have little in common in this respect. Pre-modern’s world-view is established by writings believed to be sacred.

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mikekerstetter

Jun-22-13 10:09 AM

Totex, wanted to say thanks. Enjoying the read. ;)

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-22-13 8:56 AM

The ultra-conservative, fundamentalist Christians would advocate a Christian theocracy that establishes the church as an integral part of our government that all would worship in and would allegedly pave the way for the second coming and the return of Christ. But this leads to a rules-based system of government that looks more at behaviors and actions instead of the true condition of the heart. Right actions or obedience with the wrong motivations can be good but what is better is doing things out of love and a desire to help instead of just looking-good. This theocracy can be a system that lacks in love and compassion for their fellow man and a deep relationship and fellowship with God. People would say they are Christian because they "follow the system and traditions" but this system may not necessarily be the path to eternal life with Christ. They must be reborn again, there needs to be a true repentance to sin and a following of Christ. God is the absolute.

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MrShaman

Jun-22-13 8:51 AM

"Postmodern Left and libertarians have commonality in that they both have subjective values based on their personal experiences and knowledge instead of absolute standards that adhere to the moral law implanted in their being by the Creator, ie they want to redefine morality.

They adhere to only naturalism and diss miracles and the supernatural. They will invent and gravitate to hypotheses of existence that do not involve God.

So both Postmodern Left and libertarians follow a narrative that says "God is dead"." - ToTEXASfromPA

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Not true.

See:

God Is Impossible

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MrShaman

Jun-22-13 8:47 AM

"Of course, the right has some completely one sided pundits as well, just not nearly as many. One of the rights biggest pundits is also a complete fraud: Michael Savage. Real name: Michael Weiner from the Bronx. Personal friends with Abby Hoffman, and a Berkley based San Francisco area Marxist activist and atheist right up until the 1990's when he started in radio." - Francine

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Try to catch-up, Francie. Abbie Hoffman's been dead, since 1989.

Ya' gotta come-up (outta your bunker), for fresh air, more often.

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MrShaman

Jun-22-13 8:44 AM

"The fact is, the left controls the majority of the media. Thus, they're reporting always favors the left. Unarguable by anyone." - Francine

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...At least, "Unarguable by anyone" who prefers FAUX Noise/Porky Limbaugh over unedited-news.

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MrShaman

Jun-22-13 8:40 AM

"One good example that I personally despise is the fact that this administration is getting a free pass for all our young men and women that are getting killed and injured in Afghanistan. During the last administration you had constant coverage and it was front page news." - GysgtUSMC

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....No doubt...about IRAQ...and, that Administration's efforts to "tweak" justifications for attacking the WRONG Country.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-22-13 8:32 AM

The Postmodern Christian and the liberal Christians have bought into the subjective morality that varies from the morality programmed into us by the Creator. They have both into the principles espoused by the Secular Humanist. They worship the creation instead of the Creator. They buy into the social solutions and man-made philosophies that are contrary to biblical teachings. They become as the world and lose their "saltiness" and their "light". Eventually one would ask the questions, are they a Christian or what does it mean to be a Christian?

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