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June 24, 2013

Wanna know an easy way to know the difference between liberals and conservatives? Conservatives read 1984 (George Orwell) in high school and were scared by it....

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CHayes

Jun-26-13 7:31 AM

"Understand consent."

I understand it just fine Gavin. If you have a smartphone, and you download any apps to it, the vast majority of them require you to consent to allow the app acces to all kinds of data on your phone INCLUDING "call data". In many, if not most cases, this data is harvested and sent to a third party. People consent to this tens of thousands of times a day, every day. And they do it without batting an eye.

Also, I accept cookies on my browser, but I certainly didn't consent ever to have private companies harvest my browsing data, but it happens continuously when I'm online. The biggest company in the US that tracked, harvested, and sold browsing data used to be in Clearfield. Not sure if they closed, moved or have been surpassed. The companies that do this keep their activities on the extreme down low. They don't really advertise.

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gavinf56

Jun-26-13 5:12 AM

"People have their information out there for everyone to see. People talk on their cell phones in check out lines with total strangers hearing the conversation. They are on Twitter, the are on Facebook or something comparable. They download and share photos, videos, intimate facts of theri lives on-line." - CMReeder

Understand consent.

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CMReeder

Jun-26-13 12:43 AM

Sorry but the NSA can do what they did thanks to the Patriot Act. They even got a warrant that was approved.

Many conservatives did not speak out against the Patriot Act. We are at war and this was temporary and necessary. It was renewed without a fight.

People have their information out there for everyone to see. People talk on their cell phones in check out lines with total strangers hearing the conversation. They are on Twitter, the are on Facebook or something comparable. They download and share photos, videos, intimate facts of theri lives on-line.

Government is not the only ones mining information data. Your information is not as secure as you think it is. It hasn't been for some time now. the only difference is you ar now aware of that fact. You have been allowing this for years.

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CMReeder

Jun-26-13 12:33 AM

"You really need to have a campout with Chuck and several other of your brothers in straight jackets and come up with some new material."

Sorry I don't campout and it is the conservatives who need a straight jacket.

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rmiller

Jun-25-13 6:56 PM

Chris,

Honest to goodness...it is wonderful to read your comments that are not inflammatory or degrading in any manner. Just saying.... :)

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rmiller

Jun-25-13 6:55 PM

"I'm fairly-certain BU$HCO's Chickenhawks (like The DICK; Cheney) deserve most o' the credit, for that.

Mohammad Mosaddeq And The 1953 Coup In Iran (National Security Archive)

See:

Bush Administration's First Memo On al-Qaeda Declassified (National Security Archive)

I'm guessing Porky Limbaugh hasn't covered that (for them), yet."

Grow up John! Perhaps you would find the Middle East more appealing to your USA rebellious nature.

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gavinf56

Jun-25-13 6:28 PM

"If the NSA starts sending me texts, I'm going to get really annoyed, really fast." - CHayes

I hope they take a look at my Netflix que and let me know if any of them aren't worth watching.

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CHayes

Jun-25-13 6:20 PM

I don't think its technically possible to tap a satellite phone, and that may be what Spike was originally thinking of.

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CHayes

Jun-25-13 6:19 PM

You're absolutely right CQ. Like I said earlier, its harder with prepaid phones, because there isn't necessarily an accurate record attached as to who owns it.

I want to say that tapping cell phones wasn't allowed or possible until the 90's. That may be wrong as I'm not 100% sure, but it is most definately both technically possible, and legal with a court order at the present.

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CitizenQ

Jun-25-13 5:32 PM

I searched the web to see if cell phones can be tapped and found a couple sites that show that they can. I posted the info I found along with the websites. The post showed for awhile (even had some agrees) but now it's gone. Wonder why?

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CHayes

Jun-25-13 3:43 PM

You know Gysgt, just last night my wife and I got the same text message encouraging us to download a particular game. My wife doesn't even have a smartphone, yet someone, or something collected our cell phone numbers, and sent us an unsolicited marketing text.

My boss just got one today for a different app on his iPhone.

Believe me when I say your data is already being collected.

If the NSA starts sending me texts, I'm going to get really annoyed, really fast.

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CHayes

Jun-25-13 3:35 PM

" But don't frown upon those of us that feel we have a constitutional right not to have that data collected."

Considering the massive extent to which the data we're talking about is already collected by private companies, I just can't wrap my head around someone thinking its "private".

Can I ask if you're aware of the extent this data is already collected for marketing purposes? I mean, if you have a smartphone with apps installed on it, this "private" data is already being collected. If you have cookies enabled on your browser, private companies that actually care what you're looking at online are tracking your every step.

It's the 21st century, and that's the way the 21st century rolls.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-25-13 3:32 PM

If you read my two posts from this morning it outlines the program and it's flaws.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-25-13 3:31 PM

Yea for those reasons too. You're spot on.

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CHayes

Jun-25-13 3:27 PM

" Hayes they already scrapped one data mining program because the government was overreaching and intruding on the privacy of citizens."

I actually read it was scrapped because it was a bad program. It was inefficient, produced a lot of false scrutiny on people it shouldn't have, and was very cumbersome for analysts to use. Considering those factors, it was probably a good program to cut and run from.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-25-13 2:50 PM

Hayes they already scrapped one data mining program because the government was overreaching and intruding on the privacy of citizens. It was also very unreliable and gave false positives on innocent civilians. I choose not to be a test subject while the analyst in the puzzle palace sift through data. Or some programmer screws up language. You should be more worried about the data that they do have not being shared and acted on. The DHS still has a long way to go on that front.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-25-13 2:41 PM

And you have the right to do that. But don't frown upon those of us that feel we have a constitutional right not to have that data collected.

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CHayes

Jun-25-13 2:37 PM

I'll say again, that if I felt that the govt having the metadata of my phone calls, and emails had a one in a million chance of stopping another 8 year old kid from being blown to bits in the streets, I'd GLADLY print it out using my own supplies, and overnight it to the NSA weekly.

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CHayes

Jun-25-13 2:17 PM

" One of their main goals is to have us live in constant fear, which in turn would cause us to give up the freedoms that we have"

I suppose I'm not clear on what "freedom" you give up by the govt collecting your metadata? To me that's a completely different thing than the govt listening in on people's phone calls without a warrant like they were doing not so many years ago.

Let me ask you this. You've know about this metadata collection for several weeks now, has it somehow altered or put pressure on your life? Did you say cancel plans to do something because your metadata was being collected?

Do you feel your freedom is impinged upon when you see a google ad that was tailored specifically to your interests?

I hand envelopes to govt employees at the Post Office that gives them access to the same type of data we're talking about here, and I have zero concern about it.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-25-13 12:53 PM

...And, you're gonna change all that, now, huh?

Wasn't that Tim McVeigh's trip?

I will ignore that comment but I sure would like to teach you some respect, Marine Corps style!

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MrShaman

Jun-25-13 12:48 PM

CHayes: I would have to ask how you're qualified to make that statement, since everyone on the right claims to be just absolutely stunned by the revelation of this program?

Over 27 years working in the Department of Defense qualifies me and you have no idea how many counter espionage programs are out there that the general public doesn't know about. This program was brought to light because of the massive amount of information that was being collected on innocent citizens. And of course you are going to hear how successful it is. Do you think they would tell you if it wasn't even though legitimate terrorist groups already know how to avoid it. Don't believe everything you hear from main stream media. You are only getting a fraction of the information and truth." - GysgtUSMC

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...And, you're gonna change all that, now, huh?

Wasn't that Tim McVeigh's trip?

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-25-13 12:45 PM

I see none of you pro data mining liberals commented on my posts from 7:05 and 7:06 this morning. And shaman, to quote only the wars that Bush was responsible for when I was talking about all then men and women that have died protecting and defending the Constitution, is just nonsense. You really need to have a campout with Chuck and several other of your brothers in straight jackets and come up with some new material.

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MrShaman

Jun-25-13 12:41 PM

"CHayes you can give me no good reason as to why there is nothing wrong with the federal government doing massive data collection on innocent citizens without probable cause which is needed under the constitution in order to obtain a warrant. I don't care if they get a court order every three months. The bottom line is they do NOT have probable cause and any court in America would throw it out if the police were to do the same thing. Now tell me I'm wrong." - GysgtUSMC

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Hell, there are a LOT o' things that are "conditional", in this Country (not that I'm a big fan)!!!

Why aren't the detainees, in Gitmo, gonna face a public-trial?

Why do poor people get sent to prison, more-often, simply because they can't afford adequate-representation??

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MrShaman

Jun-25-13 12:35 PM

"What's even more extraordinary, is that seemingly the majority of people here don't seem to even understand what 'metadata" is." - CHayes

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I'm guessing Porky Limbaugh hasn't covered that (for them), yet.

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MrShaman

Jun-25-13 12:28 PM

"Too d a m n many men and women have died for the rights you so easily give away just to feel safe. Rather selfish." - GysgtUSMC

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I'm fairly-certain BU$HCO's Chickenhawks (like The DICK; Cheney) deserve most o' the credit, for that.

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