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June 25, 2013

Just who do those Tea Party nut jobs think they are? Have they no respect or human decency? The unmitigated gall of that right-wing lunatic, heckling the First Lady as she addressed the crowd! Oh, m......

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johnnyad3

Jun-28-13 12:46 PM

Thank you rmiller. I hope you have a good weekend.

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rmiller

Jun-28-13 11:03 AM

I will, however "did deeper" as I want to find the apparent "lies" he is alleged to have written.

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rmiller

Jun-28-13 11:01 AM

johnny,

I have questioned "noted or not, theologians along my 60 years. Specifically, where Biblical teachings are exhorted. You do not know me, nor do you know my heart. But, one of the least checked sources for me in today's culture, is Wikipedia. Indeed, perhaps I question more, those who profess the name of Christ, than I do anyone in the secular arena. I do research and the one source, which has not changed since the 17th century, is the Word of God. The changes that did occur, up and until the seventh translation/preservation of God's Word, the KJV, were minimal. God promised in His Word, that He would purify His Word, seven times. A "research" into the translations that occurred post early manuscripts will provide insight into how God's Word was preserved. History has been rewritten as you and I know, over and over again. Barton is not alone in his attempt to 'spin" history to fit an agenda.

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rmiller

Jun-28-13 10:40 AM

Johnny,

it only matter what God says about truth...

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rmiller

Jun-28-13 10:40 AM

johnny,

Do you mean the Derek Davis that resigned from Baylor because of plagiarism? I dug, thank you.

Now, Randall Stephens? Randall Stephens

Randall Stephens chairs the history department at Eastern Nazarene College. He is the author (with Karl Giberson) of the forthcoming The Anointed: Evangelical Truth in a Secular Age (Harvard).

Harvard News(long ago sold out to secularism, humanism, and progressivism, and as a believer...I might add...s a t a n I s m...

Co-authored a book entitled, "The Annointed" where he like the enemy of the cross, attempts to discredit any and all doctrinal solids of the Bible and aspires to proclaim a new approach to Christianity.

Yeah...that's a credible and non-biased piece of support.

Here's the catch johnny, do you know the truth? It matters not what I say, or a thousand noteworthy historians say, or false prophets say, those professing to be Christians and teaching flase doctrines about God's Word...

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rmiller

Jun-28-13 10:17 AM

johnny,

"There is nothing that bothers me more than a minister, pastor, etc twisting the truth or sometimes outright lying to try to sway people. Would Jesus do that? No. He did not spin or twist. Just the truth ."

What is the truth, johnny?

The publisher did pull the book. This particular publisher handles Christian materials and because the book was subject to criticism (without his checking it out) his credentials were on the line. That is his call and he had every right to do that. It's interesting that you use the words in your reference about pastors, Christians, etc "twisting the truth" when the leader of the free world (thus far) exhausts most of his energies lying to our country.

I know about David Barton and is there a reason you didn't elaborate the "why" Barton admitted to using his understandings of the early writers, as opposed to alluding that he misinterpreted them? cont.

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johnnyad3

Jun-28-13 8:45 AM

BTW-I didn't use the Knoxville News and who is troy patch?

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johnnyad3

Jun-28-13 8:38 AM

I not only used Wikipedia but other sites too.

Do you deny the publisher pulled the book off the shelves for the reasons supplied?

Do you deny what the History News Network said? Go to their web site. I did. Wikipedia can give you some info but people have to then dig a little deeper.

Did you check out Derek Davis? Or how about Randal Stevens? Go further than Wikipedia rmiller.

Funny thing about truth; when you don't want to admit it, you will find excuses not to admit it. Nothing was spun here. Dig deeper rmiller.

There is nothing that bothers me more than a minister, pastor, etc twisting the truth or sometimes outright lying to try to sway people. Would Jesus do that? No. He did not spin or twist. Just the truth

Do you deny

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rmiller

Jun-27-13 11:05 PM

cont.

again...sorry...

he copied and pasted from Knoxville News.

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rmiller

Jun-27-13 11:03 PM

Woooops, must add that you also picked data that you copy and pasted from troy patch's blog. Who is troy patch?

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rmiller

Jun-27-13 11:01 PM

johnny,

Here is my response...the sum of two paragraphs does not quite make his credentials problematic since the info. you supplied comes right from (outside of that you somewhat twisted) Wikipedia. Wikipedia has a disclaimer on its sight that admits to trying to give information that is accurate, but that if someone sees info. inaccurate, at will can change info. Funny thing about "truth"..it never changes. I just wanted to inform those watching that the info you delved out is part truth/part distortion and that if they copy and past what you posted as a truth on any search engine, Wikipedia is the first pop up to share this info.

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johnnyad3

Jun-27-13 8:24 AM

rmiller-Did you even look at what I posted to you yesterday?

On Tuesday you wrote:

"How does that discount credibility?"

I replied and am awaiting your response.

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rmiller

Jun-26-13 4:51 PM

"I can give more proof than you Relene. However you will just ignore it because as always you consider the source bad to begin with."

I'll listen, show me your proof.

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JohnZook

Jun-26-13 2:01 PM

Yep, Conservatives like Sowell teach at A university and terrorists like Bernadine Dohrn, Bill Ayers, and Kathy Boudin teach at Columbia. The political Left and "Social Hippies" i.e. anti-Christians, are the mainstays of the Leftist universities and proud gateways to the fields of politics and (cough, cough) journalism in today's world.

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JohnZook

Jun-26-13 1:45 PM

You mean the Ivy League Schools,Yale, Brown, Harvard, ect., and they are so open minded to Conservatives that they welcome with open arms speakers like..any Conservative.

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CMReeder

Jun-26-13 1:31 PM

You do know that conservatives teach at colleges, example Sowell. Conservatives graduate from college and there are even young republican organizations on campuses. They even donate money to these colleges as alumni. The right is so not very truthful.

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CMReeder

Jun-26-13 1:28 PM

I can give more proof than you Relene. However you will just ignore it because as always you consider the source bad to begin with.

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JohnZook

Jun-26-13 1:27 PM

Is there any political of professional bias among "the elites"? Universities are about 95% liberal and conservative thought is rejected. These "orientation academies" finish out what our elementary and secondary schools start. But, it doesn't work on all these kids so there is hope for us.

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johnnyad3

Jun-26-13 12:42 PM

Derek Davis, director of church-state studies at Baylor says Barton's work contains "a lot of distortions, half truths, and twisted history."

Randall Stevens from East Nazarene College called Barton's works "Bad History".

This is why I asked Mr. Zook for a different source.

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johnnyad3

Jun-26-13 12:42 PM

rmiller-While Barton is an influential evangelical, he holds no credentials in history or law. Most historians and scholars say he is a "biased amateur" who cherry picks quotes from history and the Bible.

The History News Network is made up of a group of 10 conservative Christian professors who lean libertarian described Barton's book "The Jefferson Lies" as "the least credible history book in print." In fact, the publisher of the book pulled it off the shelves saying they had "lost confidence in the book's details and that 'historical' details were not supported."

Barton himself has conceded he has not located primary sources for quotes used from Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, and the U.S. Supreme Court.

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rmiller

Jun-26-13 11:48 AM

"Barton has been discredit many times by actual historians but it very obvios that means nothing to the crazy right. "

And, you can provide substantive proof, right?

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CMReeder

Jun-26-13 10:09 AM

I don't know the conservatives whine all the time about liberals just likje Phil and USABorn and others who are conservative that post here. They are Wendy Whiners.

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CMReeder

Jun-26-13 9:45 AM

I don't know the conservatives whine all the time about liberals just likje Phil and USABorn and others who are conservative that post here. They are Wendy Whiners.

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USABorn

Jun-26-13 3:03 AM

Sham got in his Porky comment and added his **** comment to boot!

That is p o r n

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USABorn

Jun-26-13 2:57 AM

MrShaman - 1:20 PM

"(MUCH-too-much time-consuming for the average T-Bagger)."

And Sham gets his second **** comment in on one LTE!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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