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State Senate OKs bills on gas service

June 17, 2013

Efforts to provide local natural gas service to unserved and underserved areas of Pennsylvania were passed by the state Senate last week. Senate Bills 738 and 739, sponsored by Sen. E....

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Judgeandjury

Jun-17-13 5:54 AM

738 directly intervenes in PA business by demanding they increase the use of natural gas. 739 guts an existing program that helps make buildings more efficient, and sends the money to programs to help us burn more natural gas. How is this logical? Oh yeah, Gene Yaw owns significant holdings in the natural gas, and if we burn more he stands to make more money. Just another example of this crook and this parisitic industry working together to steal our children's future or their own short sighted benefit. We need to remove Yaw and Corbett from office and replace them with people that will do what is best for ALL Pennsylvanians!

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eriklatranyi

Jun-17-13 7:17 AM

Liberals will say nothing about the "Obama Phones" that results in profits for politically connected companies, nor will liberals complain about the unsecured loans given to solar companies owned by large Obama donors.

But for increasing the use of a locally produced, cheap energy, they will whine and complain.

Hypocrites!

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rick424

Jun-17-13 7:21 AM

Amazing. Tax dollars helping big business. In the long run the price of natural gas will go up and we will still be behind in renewable energies. I agree Yaw needs to go.

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MisMac

Jun-17-13 9:39 AM

Just the pure fact that our elected officials care not one ioda about this industry contaminating families drinking water should give us a clear picture of their priorities. And the damage is just getting started, unless a moritorium is enacted.

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BilltownB

Jun-17-13 10:48 PM

MisMac, could you be more specific as to which families drinking water was actually contaminated? It's easy for you to say that water has been contaminated after likely watching an inaccurate documentary; however, where are your facts to back this statement up? There have been isolated cases of minor methane migration, but no proven cases where water has been "contaminated".

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Judgeandjury

Jun-18-13 6:49 AM

Erik, there was no doubt you would bring to the table your completely paid for opinion. I have said this before, your does not count. You get paid by this parasitic industry to say these things, they are not based on fact or even reality. How about this, we stop all types of subsidies to business'? I am all for that. That would mean the almost immediate extinction of the fossil fuel industry. When comparing fossil fuels to sustainable fuels in a fair head to head, there is no comparison. The only way fossil fuels can compete is through government subsidies, like the ones in question. But you don't want that, do you? Nope, that would take away your money train and you might actually have to be truly productive in a meaningful way. You and you opinions are dismissed.

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Judgeandjury

Jun-18-13 6:51 AM

Billtown, all you have to do is pay attention and you can see the number of folks breaking their non-disclosure agreements and stepping forward, or courts forcing the release of this information. The only way this information has remained hidden for this long is the ridiculous efforts of the industry. Wise up and realize they are not in it for us, they are in it for very personalized profits. Profits at the expense of anyone and everyone else.

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BilltownB

Jun-18-13 8:04 AM

Judge and Jury, I agree with you that the information should not remain hidden; however, I think you will find that once the information regarding drinking water is present that your argument will be completely debunked. There has been much fear mongering amongst people when it comes to stories about drinking water and the gas industry.

Also, you keep saying "they" and "us" like its a war going on or something. The industry is hear wether you like it or not. Instead of always taking a negative approach maybe you could be a little more proactive, learn a little more about what the industry is doing, and help to ensure that it is being done safely and responsibly.

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thepaycheck

Jun-18-13 8:35 AM

please don't dissuade her billtownb. I find judgeandjury's comments to be some of the best reading in the SG. her craziness reaffirms that I'm on the right side of this issue..

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rick424

Jun-18-13 8:51 AM

Just what is your side Mr. Paycheck? These bills are clearly corporate welfare to help the industry and possible Senator Yaw in some indirect way. What most don't see or refuse to see is what happens as the demand of NG goes up. The industry makes more money and the consumer gets screwed with higher NG bills and to add insult to injury they helped pay for it with their taxes.

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thepaycheck

Jun-18-13 9:51 AM

Science, logic and common sense.

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rick424

Jun-18-13 10:44 AM

Logic and common sense? Oh please explain.

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BornHere

Jun-18-13 11:22 AM

BilltownB, The Times Tribune did an article published on May 19, 2013 called "Sunday Times review of DEP drilling records reveals water damage, murky testing methods".

In the article there is a section called "Gas Drilling Complaints Map", it will show that oil and gas activity disrupts water supplies and that these disruptions have been recorded.

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BilltownB

Jun-18-13 1:59 PM

To BornHere, I had a chance to look over the article in the Times Tribune you requested I read. The article mentions that 77% of all complaints have concluded that gas drilling cannot be linked to the issues with the water supply. It also mentions that 17% of all water complaints in the past five years have been linked to gas drilling. 17% is still too high; however, this number appears to reflect the entire industry (i.e. pipelines, construction, drilling). As I mentioned before, there have been cases of methane migration (which is something that could also happen to your neighbor by you drilling a private water well), but I wish it would go further as to say how many of these issues are directly related to shallow wells. The state is way behind in establishing standards for private water well construction. Because of this many residents have springs, shallow wells, and cisterns for a source of drinking water. The reason I commented on this link in the first place was because

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BilltownB

Jun-18-13 2:00 PM

The reason I commented on this link in the first place was because MisMac’s comments made it sound the industry and “fracking” are the cause of all water issues, which is just not the case. The state has never implicated the underground gas extraction process known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, in a contamination incident (The Times Tribune) BornHere what you read in the Times article will be totally different than what I read. I guess I just look at the industry as a clean, glass half full of good tasting water kind of guy!

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