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Slow, no delivery blamed on lack of local processing center

June 24, 2013

Complaints of late mail delivery and sometimes no mail at all some days in Lycoming County, parts of Clinton County and beyond can be traced back to a specific action: the final closure of a......

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Jun-24-13 6:15 AM

"We are standing around for hours at a time, doing nothing. We're getting paid for doing nothing," said Jared Bowes, local president of the National Association of Letter Carriers Branch 50, - let me get this right, we are paying for people to stand around doing nothing. Mr Bowes, maybe you can find something productive for these people to do rather than them standing around doing nothing. Imagine to picture you paint.

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Jun-24-13 6:26 AM

If a private business faced a delay in getting widgets essential for production, they would adjust their working hours accordingly. If the widgets arrived at 11 AM instead of 7 AM, you can bet the business wouldn't be paying people to stand around for 4 hours per day.

Mr. Bowes, this is exactly where people get a bad image of union workers. In no way, shape or form would I be paid for doing nothing. I would be sent home to return later to finish my shift.

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Jun-24-13 6:57 AM

You're both right! That and the part where they are not post marking mail when it actually comes in, to me is disturbing. First of all, Mr. Bowes, there's no reason you should be getting OT for doing nothing, period.

Secondly, it's clear the USPS is trying to 'cover up' their terrible decision and make it appear like it was a better decision that it really was.

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Jun-24-13 7:13 AM

Ah, just standing around doing nothing and getting paid for it. Sounds like mismanagement. Yes, the postal service has been required to fund pensions in advance and yet they are squandering money like this. This is why they should be abolished. As for businesses who are not getting payments on time, that is a cost of doing business. There are other ways to be paid--I pay nearly all of my vendors on line. They get paid on time, I have fewer checks to track and the money stays in my account until the last minute.

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Jun-24-13 7:16 AM

what if the performance is slipping for personal reasons? What if the performance shortfall is to prove a point and is willfully being constructed? Could we expect someone to come forward? Would the enviornment encourage this or not?

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Jun-24-13 7:27 AM

First-Class Mail revenue, the Postal Service’s most profitable service category, decreased $198 million, or 2.7 percent, in the second quarter compared to the same period last year, with a volume decrease of 713 million pieces, or 4.1 percent. The most significant factor contributing to the ongoing decline continues to be the migration toward electronic communication and transactional alternatives.

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Jun-24-13 8:16 AM

Idiot - why are you attacking the messenger? He/She is telling us first hand experience with our local mail.I see Cave's point but I am interpreting the letter to mean that the workers do not know when it will arrive on any given day. The other driver for this letter appears to be the public complaints regarding late delivery. The internet is surely taking business and is a convenient method to bill pay.Internet is the way of the future. However, not all people are internet savvy, own a computer or may still live in a no service area. Don't make this a conspiracy. We lose our service center and the mail is a mess. Everything is NOT a conspiracy. Some issues may be, all are not.

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Jun-24-13 8:17 AM


partial quote ( As for businesses who are not getting payments on time, that is a cost of doing business).

Actually for large financial institutions aka Credit Cards, etc. late payments are a hefty Profit Center...!

Miss one payment and the interest can go up as much as 30% maybe even more if one has a low credit score.

Trust me... they don't care why a payment is late, they look forward to receiving a late payment or two.

There are instances of CC companies receiving a payment on the due date, but because the Law allows them 24 hours to process a payment they can hold that on-time payment 24 hours and designate it as a late payment.

Its kind of sick... but it does happen.

This may be a bit Off topic but... deliberately Delaying a Post mark could be devastating for someone on the edge financial meltdown due to no fault of their own.

PS, Anyone tampering with Post Mark dates should be Fired on the spot...!

Especially if its my mail.. [grin]

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Jun-24-13 8:31 AM

I've noticed a two hour delay in receiving mail at our house. I would have hoped that management would have adjusted the letter carriers starting time by two hours or more. But no, the postal service is exhibiting its mismanagement and why it should be replaced by private enterprise!

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Jun-24-13 8:48 AM

Just to add my experience to this issue.... Sent Priority mail with tracking... Item sat at a couple of sorting centers up to 48 hours or more... what used to take 2 to 3 days NOW takes over a week.

I am not a happy camper over this and I'm not a postal employee....

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Jun-24-13 9:09 AM

BY LAW the Gov CANNOT open 1st class mail. Causing the USPS to fail and go private will allow the Gov to open your mail.

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Jun-24-13 9:35 AM

It's Obama's fault! We want our country, and our mail, back!

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Jun-24-13 9:36 AM

Well this explains why my mail is not delivered until 8:00 p.m.

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Jun-24-13 10:18 AM

the part that irks me is quote, standing around getting paid to do nothing.unquote, so if the govt cant afford usps as it is, why pay these people to stand around and do nothing. no work no pay, it would make MORE sense to put the ones standing around doing nothing, no fault of their own, to WORK for their money back in a sorting center. now, if it would be more cost worthy to rebuild and just not open it to the public, just BE a sorting center then do that. but its crazy that people cant get things for two weeks.. if you send a bill out in the mail and its late YOU get the late fee not the usps. to avoid this however, you can pay just about everything online thru online banking or the website. i pay electric credit card car payment medical bills just about everything online. i pay my car insurance with my debit card right at the office, well, no, they take it out of my bank. dont be so afraid, most sites are secure.

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Jun-24-13 11:30 AM

Fredzz, I agree with your post. However, this is exactly why these card companies also offer automatic payments, on line payments and bill pay through your bank. There is really no excuse anymore for being late and incurring those enormous fees and rate increases. You can even set up auto pay over the phone--I did it while driving to MD one day after seeing my mailed check had gotten there late and my account had been assessed. Now it is paid on time every month and I didn't have to go to the website to do it. As for tax payments and other govt correspondence, if it is postmarked on the day due, it is considered timely. If someone is uncertain if their mail will be postmarked the day it is mailed, they can go to the counter and one of the staff will stamp it for you and I have also done this.

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Jun-24-13 11:33 AM

Spike2 - didn't mean to sound like I was attacking. If this person is the president of the union, I assume he/she is in a position of a level of authority and could make a decision or escalate the issue to put folks into a more productive role. I hope there are not some rules that prevent such interaction.

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Jun-24-13 12:26 PM

It isn't the employees fault that they are standing around doing nothing. And, also, it isn't the supervisor's fault in Williamsport. They have no control over when the mail comes in from Harrisburg to process here and deliver to us.

They need to reopen Reach Road. Sounds like they are losing money by having to pay the carriers overtime. This thing was not thought out carefully by the higher-ups.

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Jun-24-13 12:59 PM

I live in Montoursville and haven't noticed any difference in the time my mail gets to the house; usually before 11AM

The USPS is a $45 Billion business. It is NOT a tax supported business. They are funded by selling postal products. They do receive reimbursement of $96 Million, roughly 0.2% of their budget, for free mailing for the legally blind, mail-in election ballots from U.S. citizens living overseas, and for providing address info to state and local child support enforcement agencies.

So idiot2, we, the taxpayers, do not pay them and bio, the govt does not have to worry about affording them. They are mandated to be revenue neutral by the government.

I do agree people should not be paid for doing nothing and the USPS needs to manage better.

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Jun-24-13 1:24 PM

Only in America! The mailmen are having the last laugh! Money, money money!

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Jun-24-13 2:43 PM

Perhaps giving them a little more time to work the bugs out as it has been a month would be good. Quite a big change to have all the bugs out in such a short time. I also live in Montoursville and have seen nor noticed any change. Further, if this was 6 week or two months of the same, it might be a news story but at this stage in the game, I fail to see the news here.

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Jun-24-13 2:44 PM

You really don't know the whole story! These carriers not only have to wait for the late mail (they have no choice). They also have 1 to 2 hour handoffs from other routes! (there aren't enough carriers to cover all the routes) If they started 2 hours later they wouldn't get done until, at the earliest, 8:00 PM!

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Jun-24-13 5:38 PM

Drive over too the turkey hill in Duboistown say 9 am most days and see the mail carriers scratching lottery tickets and complaining how tough it is wow if only we all had it so bad and ps crunch the numbers and report back how much the post office has been bailed out by taxpayers money and post it for us

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Jun-24-13 5:41 PM

Whoa, wait a minute all you folks on here. You almost are sounding pro union, and I know you don't want that. As for the "Idiot" Spike, the name says it all. Only one missing from the pack of professional commentors is Francine! Come on now, I have no doubt you have all the answers to this problem too.

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Jun-24-13 8:12 PM

I honestly couldn't care less how late I get my mail. Or if I get it every day. I say cut residential mail delivery to Monday, Wednesday and Friday only. E-mail takes half a second to get to me. Almost all my bills come via email or I can pay online. No real reason why they all can't. Anything else that comes in the mail can wait a few days, or a few weeks even. Or it's unwanted mail. Business mail is different as some others mentioned payments do have to be received regularly. If we cut residential mail to only a few days a week the saved resources could be used to speed up business mail delivery.

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Jun-24-13 10:36 PM

UNION rules will not allow a change in start up time. So a 2 - 3 hour down time with nothing to do cannot be changed without UNION approval.

Email, text, video, phone calls, and other modern means of communicating can and is monitored by someone if not the government.

I written letter is between you and the person you send it to. By law the government cannot open that letter, but ... if the mail goes private ...

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