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Astounding

June 26, 2013

The depth of the ignorance of our political leaders on the effects that illegal immigrants will have both economically and socially is astounding....

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USABorn

Jun-26-13 2:03 AM

The worst part is the chain immigration that will result from this shamnesty. Can you even begin to imagine the chain immigration that will result from giving shamnesty to 20-35 million illegals?

Scoffing at the 20-35 million number? Stop and think..........the feds have been using the same 11-12 million number for the last 15 years. Are you really stupid enough to fall for it?

The bill would grant 33 million new green cards in the first 10 years, while 20 million Americans can’t find a full-time job.

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USABorn

Jun-26-13 2:06 AM

The bill repeats the mistakes of the 1986 amnesty – legalization before enforcement. Most of the nation’s 11 million illegal aliens would receive legal status and green cards before a single enforcement provision kicks in. Then, the administration has total discretion over the implementation of enforcement. (Another 11 million number.)

Just like the discretion given to the IRS that lead to the ongoing IRS scandal, the bill gives the Department of Homeland Security complete discretion over the amnesty, future green cards, and enforcement.

According to the Heritage Foundation, an amnesty for 11 million illegal aliens would cost taxpayers $6.3 trillion. (There's that 11 million figure again.)

We can’t afford this when we face growing deficits and a record number of Americans receive means-tested welfare benefits.

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gavinf56

Jun-26-13 5:30 AM

"Amnesty will have serious consequences for all of us that call the USA home." - Donald Shinn

Just think, if we give them amnesty, your fear of illegal immigrants will subside. They would then be one of us.

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gavinf56

Jun-26-13 5:36 AM

Google "Wearethe15percent". It's the great melting pot people, get used to it.

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MrShaman

Jun-26-13 6:51 AM

"Do we as a country really want to look like California?" - Donald Shinn

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Gee...no...we surely wouldn't want to see THAT happen!!!!!

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See:

California Unemployment Hits Five-Year Low

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Tedeaux

Jun-26-13 6:52 AM

The answer is simple, make Mexico the 51st state!

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MrShaman

Jun-26-13 7:02 AM

"The worst part is the chain immigration that will result from this shamnesty. Can you even begin to imagine the chain immigration that will result from giving shamnesty to 20-35 million illegals?" - USABorn

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Aw, jeez...you (soon-to-be) White-minorities are ALWAYS complaining about SOMETHING!!!!

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MrShaman

Jun-26-13 7:07 AM

"Amnesty will have serious consequences for all of us that call the USA home." - Donald Shinn

Just think, if we give them amnesty, your fear of illegal immigrants will subside. They would then be one of us." - gavinf56

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...Especially if Donald's daughter brings one-of-them home..."to meet the folks".

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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CHayes

Jun-26-13 7:19 AM

"Just think, if we give them amnesty, your fear of illegal immigrants will subside. They would then be one of us."

I appreciate your opinion on this Gavin, but you aren't being very cooperative on this whole deal. I was hoping the letter writer would identify himself as a Republican if he sent any more letters in like this. And despite the water you've tried to lob onto that, I can see from the comments, that would still be pretty OK.

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Tgrammiex4

Jun-26-13 7:44 AM

"California Unemployment Hits Five-Year Low " Mr. Shaman Unemployment rates are very misleading. They only reflect those currently receiving UE benefits. Not reflected are the millions on welfare, seniors, students, those who exhausted thier UE benefits, disabled.I'd like to see the "Working" rate in comparison to the total of able bodied working age people. 5 yr. low is setting the bar pretty low, show me a 20 yr. low and I'll be impressed.

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eriklatranyi

Jun-26-13 7:52 AM

First, if we allow 30 million people to have a free pass on breaking the law, what law do I get a free pass on?

Can I convert a semi-automatic into a machine gun and get a free pass?

Can I dump toxic waste into a liberal's well and get a free pass?

I guess the problem is just too big to handle legally.

I am sure that if 30 million Americans didn't file their taxes that the IRS would look the other way and never assess penalties.

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gavinf56

Jun-26-13 7:53 AM

Well Chris, we are not getting rid of the ones who are already here, plain and simple. Then it becomes a matter of how do set up a process for them to become citizens?

Personally I liked the GW or Rubio plan (before the increased security change of mind) and thought they were practical. I loathe the Fox News crowds plan of shipping them all back and building a wall (let alone the cost and where do we get the money)

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eriklatranyi

Jun-26-13 7:58 AM

If liberals really cared about minorities, they would address joblessness among blacks (around 16%) and not introduce 30 million, mostly unskilled, workers to compete with them for jobs.

But liberals do not care about minorities. They only care about votes.

Trading the black vote for the Hispanic vote is as necessary as trading the private sector union vote (coal miners) for public sector unions (SEIU).

If hispanics voted overwhelmingly conservative, there would be no push for amnesty.

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gavinf56

Jun-26-13 8:03 AM

Those"30 million" are already competing for those jobs, giving them citizenship won't change a thing.

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Tgrammiex4

Jun-26-13 8:09 AM

Question: Have any of you ever lived in Calif? I was born & raised in Ventura,Ca.Beautiful seaside community.Grew up un the lower income side of town, had some great mex. neighbors(here legally)hard working, law abiding folks.Over the years, influx of illegals, crime rate thru the roof.Gangs appeared, not safe to walk down the street anymore.Our kids were pre-teens, we left good jobs and moved here for thier safety. That was 25 yrs. ago.It hasn't hit here yet, but it will.

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michaelpaternostro

Jun-26-13 8:13 AM

I think the border needs to be secured first before anything else is done. If we have no border then we have no country.There are people out there who want to kill us and destruct our way of life who can come through the border. I do not have a problem with immigration so long as your first act in getting to the US is not breaking the law by coming here illegally. Once you are here, learn our language, pay taxes, obey our laws and pledge allegiance to our flag (assimilate), be an american.Both politicial sides are guilty of not securing the border and it has all been about votes. Guilty as charged.

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gavinf56

Jun-26-13 8:35 AM

A large part of the citizenship test is our language. The problem comes from the sounds and movements of the vocal chords in making those sounds. They are learned in early childhood and not easily learned inadulthood.

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CMReeder

Jun-26-13 8:50 AM

Mr. Shinn is demonstrating his ignorance.

The Senate just passed an amendment that creates a stronger border. It was compared to placing the Berlin Wall at our border.

Ironic is it not Ronnie and his Republican/conservatives worked so hard to bring the Berlin wall down and now they are working hard to erect one.

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michaelpaternostro

Jun-26-13 9:21 AM

We don't need a wall, thats prehistoric in my opinion. We have many better ways of keeping people from crossing the border and it wouldn't take thousands of border guards to do it either.And by the way, "Ronnie" was one of our best, unlike the worthless one we have now. Ronald was a statesman, not a politician.

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michaelpaternostro

Jun-26-13 9:23 AM

Gavin, MOVE TO MEXICO ! NOW!

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gavinf56

Jun-26-13 9:32 AM

Hey Michael, "fire truck". Think about it, you will get the meaning.

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CMReeder

Jun-26-13 9:40 AM

Ronnie was a bser and very good one at that. Wonderful Ronnie gave millions of illegals amnesty when he was President and the conservatives threw all that goodwill he generated away. Conservatives are burying themselves.

The conservatives want a big huge wall, they want to throw money at it.

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CMReeder

Jun-26-13 9:41 AM

LOL Gavin is Carlitos. LOL

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gavinf56

Jun-26-13 10:46 AM

Uh-oh, we are about to allow gay illegal immigrants to marry. Now that will surely put some people into a tizzy.

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michaelpaternostro

Jun-26-13 10:54 AM

gavin, thats right, it will throw some in a tizzy as some do not agree with you, and that throws you in a tizzy, too bad for you. Lets give them healthcare and social security and some food stamps too. Lucky for us they cant have babies!

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