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They don’t hear us

June 28, 2013

It's a wild guess but here goes my idea on this thought. We as American will not take to the streets to overthrow our elected officials and they know this....

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MrShaman

Jun-29-13 1:46 PM

"Is it the legislatives bodies that is the cesspool or have they become embedded in a cesspool?" - CMReeder

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I think it just SMELLS that way, in the Red States.

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MrShaman

Jun-29-13 1:41 PM

"This letter makes no sense whatsoever.

A majority of Americans tune out most of what happens in politics." - CMReeder

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...And, Ted Cruz/"Crazy Louie" Gohmert/Snookie Palin (just) make it that-much-easier!!

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spike2

Jun-29-13 7:19 AM

"up until the point where Bobbie2 had to add his insulting, non relevant, and in my opinion just plain stupid comment. I would love to see people get past their worn out one liners and actually put some thought into their comments." Thank yo Gysgt and and Farmer. I have said the same for months. Does it phase Bobbie? No. "You are each aware are you not that obumbler's campaign target were the very group that tunes out what happens in politics and he received 51% of the vote." Keep thinking that no one who is employed, educated, etc. is somehow a low-information, non-working slug. You are exactly why the G.O.P. will have problems in 2016. Gysgt. is a critical thinker and well-spoken His comments are worth reading.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-28-13 8:21 PM

Erik, while I agree with most of what you say, history has shown that the American people are not very good at weeding out a lot of the career politicians that really need to go from both sides of the aisle. I believe those are the ones that influence the younger politicians into the good olé boy society. I think most go to Capitol Hill with good intentions but get led astray once they meet their mentors. Shaman has a very good point when he states this about the tea party candidates, but it happens on both sides of the aisle and I think term limits would help eliminate some of this.

As far as government employees sucking off the system, I couldn't agree with you more! Yes, there are many good employees in civil service but in the 27 years I spent in the DOD I saw a ton of waste when it comes to civil service and it practically takes an act of congress to get rid of them.

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rmiller

Jun-28-13 7:53 PM

E x c e l l e n t L e t t e r!!!

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eriklatranyi

Jun-28-13 6:24 PM

GysgtUSMC:

The people should be creating the term limit for politicians, but they do not.

For many, politics is like football, pick your favorite team, and root for them no matter what happens.

Now, the elected officials are less of a problem than the entrenched government employees who never lose their jobs.

I think some of the real corruption stems from those who never face election.

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Premier

Jun-28-13 6:02 PM

Farmer: "I must say I liked this letter. But more importantly I liked the civil intelligent responses to it, up until the point where Bobbie2 had to add his insulting, non relevant, and in my opinion just plain stupid comment. I would love to see people get past their worn out one liners and actually put some thought into their comments."

Uh...what did you just do?

Is it do what I say not as I do?

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-28-13 3:15 PM

Mr. Reeder: So government legislative bodies are cesspools already.

I wonder what the true cesspool is. The lobby organizations, media pundits (left and right), corporations, money donated with strings for campaigning, the cost of campaigning.

Is it the legislatives bodies that is the cesspool or have they become embedded in a cesspool?

Wow Mr. Reeder I couldn't have said it better myself! That's why I believe strongly in term limits so they don't have decades to stew in that cesspool. You won't be ably to shut the media up but campaign finance reform is definitely in order. Maybe then they will start working for their constituents and not the lobbies. But then again, that's all a pipe dream because we both know neither side has the integrity or character to make those things happen.

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DavidBross

Jun-28-13 2:12 PM

"We are not like citizens in countries like France, Czech Republic, Egypt, Syria even Greece. There is something in our Philosophy of life that reminds us "living is more important." A couple of thoughts. First, in what way(s) are we different from the citizens of these countries? We seem pretty similar, especially when you compare our history from say, 1740 to the end of the Revolutionary War. Second, the Philosophy the author mentions, it puts me in mind of the saying that went around when I was a teenage in the late 60s. That saying was, "Better Red than dead." That may not be what the author had in mind. I would be very interested in his response to these thought.

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CMReeder

Jun-28-13 1:22 PM

So government legislative bodies are cesspools already.

I wonder what the true cesspool is. The lobby organizations, media pundits (left and right), corporations, money donated with strings for campaigning, the cost of campaigning.

Is it the legislatives bodies that is the cesspool or have they become embedded in a cesspool?

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MrShaman

Jun-28-13 10:25 AM

"Since its infancy, the gov't has has been shackled by the failures of the people running it."--JZ

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That is true; none of our founding fathers were perfect and they did some things that were wrong.

But at least they did recognize the benefits of a moral society and codified it in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

As a society, we should also promote the values of a moral society. Morality should be emphasized instead of wealth." - ToTEXASfromPA

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"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent." - Thomas Jefferson

(Thomas Jefferson...ANOTHER good Aries!!!)

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-28-13 10:18 AM

Farmer: I must say I liked this letter. But more importantly I liked the civil intelligent responses to it, up until the point where Bobbie2 had to add his insulting, non relevant, and in my opinion just plain stupid comment. I would love to see people get past their worn out one liners and actually put some thought into their comments.

AMEN!!

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farmer

Jun-28-13 9:39 AM

I must say I liked this letter. But more importantly I liked the civil intelligent responses to it, up until the point where Bobbie2 had to add his insulting, non relevant, and in my opinion just plain stupid comment. I would love to see people get past their worn out one liners and actually put some thought into their comments.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-28-13 9:20 AM

"Since its infancy, the gov't has has been shackled by the failures of the people running it."--JZ

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That is true; none of our founding fathers were perfect and they did some things that were wrong. For instance many of them were slave owners. Their weakness in accepting the traditions and economic rationalizations of slavery were wrong.

But at least they did recognize the benefits of a moral society and codified it in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

As a society, we should also promote the values of a moral society. Morality should be emphasized instead of wealth.

Nobud, maybe we ought to insist that our elected officials also insist upon staff with high integrity when they get to Harrisburg or Washington. If necessary, they need to clean house.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-28-13 9:00 AM

I believe we should have an 8 year term limit in the house and senate at both the federal and state level. This would get rid of the career politicians and constantly bring in new blood and new ideas and hopefully less of a chance to get corrupted by the system.

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JohnZook

Jun-28-13 8:44 AM

L U S T

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JohnZook

Jun-28-13 8:43 AM

Don't know if it's P/C or not but do know that it's corruption, with its friends greed and power. Since its infancy, the gov't has has been shackled by the failures of the people running it. I still say, Man cannot rule himself, his greed, and*****for power are too powerful to resist.

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nobud74

Jun-28-13 8:23 AM

ToTexas, I believe what you say, but the problem we face is that good people go to the cesspools that are state and federal legislatures and become polluted by the elements there. The elected officials change, but the slime that actually reads, writes and negotiates the laws remain. Then we hear that we have to have those people because they know how things work. Yes, because they created it in order to stay employed. The most powerful people in DC are not the pols, they are the heads of staff. Maybe if we change the staffs at the same time we change the pols we would get some progress.

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eriklatranyi

Jun-28-13 8:19 AM

All politicians create coalitions of interests to cement their power.

The key to success is to never unite a majority AGAINST you.

If the majority do not pay attention or do not get passionate over your action in office, then you only have to forge a larger number of the minority than your opponent.

The more that the people "tune out" the easier it is for corruption to thrive.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jun-28-13 8:17 AM

"Our elected officials keep dividing us into little groups and guess what there is no majority rule; there will only be minority groups."--JTK

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Maybe we as voters and citizens should focus on electing people that display and adhere to the Golden Rule......Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

We should insist upon political officials with integrity, honesty, love for mankind, steadfastness, doesn't follow 'quid pro quo', good spouse, good parent, values human life, values freedom, good moral character.

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CMReeder

Jun-28-13 7:55 AM

This letter makes no sense whatsoever.

A majority of Americans tune out most of what happens in politics.

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MrShaman

Jun-28-13 5:16 AM

"Our elected officials keep dividing us into little groups and guess what there is no majority rule; there will only be minority groups. Our politicians have created this group or that group; to keep this group in line all it takes is lip service of what our elected politicians will do for them." - John T. Kovich

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So...exactly WHICH "politically-created little-group" are you a member...and, what KEEPS you there?

As-far-as "majority rule" goes...every time I hear that complaint (typically, in-reference-to our electoral-college), my first thought is...a lynch-mob is the result o' "majority rule"...and, too-often, their history of "fairness" has always been "somewhat"-suspect. Too-often, those folks (who complain about a lack of "majority rule") are the same ones who put high-value on "states' rights".

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