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Stooping at anything

June 30, 2013

The oil and gas industry will stoop to anything....

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BornHere

Jul-02-13 11:51 AM

Talking about windmills here is an article I read from EcoWatch July 2, 2013 called, "Renewable Energy will Exceed Natural Gas Use Worldwide by 2016", it is a new report from the International Energy Agency.

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gavinf56

Jul-01-13 9:08 PM

In the SG search bar, just search for the term "windmills" and read all of the NIMBY letters from late 2007 to early 2008.

You just can't make this NIMBY stuff up folks.

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gavinf56

Jul-01-13 6:21 PM

"It simply means your in favor if safer extraction methods." - CHayes

Oh, is that what it is now. So the complaints about the traffic, high rent, speeding trucks, drawing water out of our streams and rivers, and the scare tactics of what MIGHT happen, et al is really about safe drilling practices?...and the fact that tens of thousands of holes have been drilled and frac'd with minimal problems means absolutely nothing.

Uh, ok.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-01-13 11:18 AM

Chayes, so what you're saying is government is turning a blind eye and the industry is knowingly destroying our environment. Ok, that being said why is big brother doing such a horrible job regulating this industry? The same big brother that many of you stand behind and vouch for at all costs. Could it be MONEY? Imagine that, you finally agree that there is corruption in government.

Like I said, I didn't hear a peep from anyone in this area before the industry showed up. And fracking has been taking place world wide for decades. They all were content going about their lives and not worrying about who's town was being fracked.

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CHayes

Jul-01-13 10:32 AM

I guess I'm not understanding the false equivalency running through these comments, that says if people are opposed to the type of drilling going on now, they are "anti-energy" , "against gas".

Just because you are in favor of safer drilling practices, and think the Clean Water Act should apply to the gas industry, like it applies to EVERY OTHER INDUSTRY in the country , doesn't mean your opposed to natural gas. It simply means your in favor if safer extraction methods.

It's kind of like saying if you're opposed to President Obama's policies, you have no business commenting on politics.

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rick424

Jun-30-13 11:17 PM

I love the NIMBY argument, Truth be told, would you want one of these 300 feet from your kitchen door? And you would get nothing from it.Just a gas well.

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gavinf56

Jun-30-13 8:49 PM

Gunney, I don't worry about the disagrees. In fact, with the NIMBY crowd it is almost like a badge of honor.

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gavinf56

Jun-30-13 8:43 PM

Google "Windmills to shut at night following demise of rare bat" - Pittsburgh Tribune

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-30-13 8:19 PM

Gavin they even disagreed with your post about the poor bird that got killed. I guess they think those bird watchers were lying. LoL

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-30-13 8:15 PM

Take a look at one of today's letters entitled "The Other Side". I'm sure Mr. Rieder would represent you all in a class action law suit against the industry.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-30-13 8:02 PM

"The real hypocrites are the ones who know it is bad but say it is okay to use however they do it."

Well seeing as energy from natural gas accounts for 24 percent of total energy consumed in the United States, I guess there are millions of hypocrites out there.

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gavinf56

Jun-30-13 7:51 PM

"But then you will have people protesting the wind mills that dot the landscapes and the animal rights activists will be protesting because the birds that they kill. Don't believe me? Look it up." - GysgtUSMC

Google "Rare bird last seen in Britain 22 years ago reappears - only to be killed by wind turbine in front of a horrified crowd of birdwatchers"

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-30-13 7:43 PM

Mr. Reeder, the end result is the same. We all take advantage of the end product in every aspect of our lives. I'm all for alternative sources. But then you will have people protesting the wind mills that dot the landscapes and the animal rights activists will be protesting because the birds that they kill. Don't believe me? Look it up. And who is going to pay for these alternative sources? A ton of money has already been thrown at that industry and I don't think we got too much bang for our buck. Maybe you all will be successful in driving them out of this area. And then you can pat yourselves on the back and go home and enjoy your energy that comes from someone else's back yard.

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CMReeder

Jun-30-13 7:20 PM

They are not protesting the energy source they are protesting the methods of extraction and how it is turned into energy.

The real hypocrites are the ones who know it is bad but say it is okay to use however they do it. We are not interested in alternative sources.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-30-13 5:30 PM

Premier you are spot on... they protest natural gas because of fracking. They protest coal burning power plants because they pollute the environment. And they protest nuclear power plants in fear of a melt down. But the fact is, everyone relies on these sources with everything they do in their lives. So who should suffer the downside that comes with these industries? Well unfortunately or fortunately depending who you are, this area is sitting on a fortune in natural gas and like it or not, just like many before us in other areas that had to sacrifice in order to bring you the energy you enjoy today, now people in this area will have to make that sacrifice. Life is give and take.

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Premier

Jun-30-13 4:46 PM

It doesn't matter what power source you use it comes from someone else's backyard to make your life more comfortable. Someone somewhere is putting up with the production of your energy needs.

So unless your completely off the grid and do not consume any energy or natural resources you are a hypocrite for protesting against any energy source.

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gavinf56

Jun-30-13 4:46 PM

"Just like when you say anything remotely liberal. A lot of disagrees." - CMReeder

Tu quoque

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Premier

Jun-30-13 4:40 PM

Charles we finally agree that everything you post is disagreeable.

And I was about to write you off, hang in there Bud!

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nobud74

Jun-30-13 4:23 PM

Chuckles, sometimes you just crack me up. Thx for the laugh!

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CMReeder

Jun-30-13 4:22 PM

"Gunney, if you say anything even remotely positive about the gas industry on these boards, you will get disagrees."

Just like when you say anything remotely liberal. A lot of disagrees.

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CMReeder

Jun-30-13 4:19 PM

Sorry Phil but those who are for the drilling are very emotional. They don't use facts.

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gavinf56

Jun-30-13 3:46 PM

Nope, I am with you Gunney. I feel the same way.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-30-13 3:17 PM

Gavin, I have said on here in other comments that I have no problem with those that feel strongly about their convictions and take a stand. I have my own opinions on this subject. But I'm man enough to admit it would be awful hypocritical of me to speak out against the industry when I take full advantage of the resource it provides. I would have a tough time standing at a demonstration holding signs telling the industry to go back to Texas and then go home and kick back on my couch and turn up the gas heat or shower with the hot water that is heated with gas. Sorry, maybe that's just me.

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gavinf56

Jun-30-13 3:07 PM

Gunney, if you say anything even remotely positive about the gas industry on these boards, you will get disagrees.

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GysgtUSMC

Jun-30-13 2:52 PM

I see a couple people disagreed with my last statements regarding hypocrites that take advantage of the industry as long as its not here in Williamsport. I don't seem to recall any letters to the Sun Gazette before the industry came here and I'm quite sure some of those in the 75% group use gas or oil to heat their homes. So send them back to Texas or wherever else they came from and just pipe it to me from there. I have no problem with those that are true to their cause and don't turn around and use the very same resource they lobby against. But I have a big problem with NIMBY's.

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