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Rendell's criticism of fracking skepticism carries credibility

July 3, 2013

When Pennsylvania Democrats recently called for a moratorium on fracking, they got criticism from a source they might not have expected. Former Gov....

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MrShaman

Jul-03-13 6:12 AM

"These are not new points. But coming from a former Democratic governor....they carry greater credibility."

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I'm fairly certain, that...this would be the point where you'd be tempted to say..."YOU said it...I didn't"

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DavidBross

Jul-03-13 6:30 AM

"In an age of engineering capability far beyond that of just a couple decades ago, things that once were environmentally dangerous are now possible." Two thoughts. First, this line of thinking sounds a lot like that used before the Titanic's only voyage. Second, I doubt the danger to the environment was what held back fracking decades ago.

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MrShaman

Jul-03-13 8:12 AM

"In an age of engineering capability far beyond that of just a couple decades ago, things that once were environmentally dangerous are now possible."

Two thoughts. First, this line of thinking sounds a lot like that used before the Titanic's only voyage." - DavidBross

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...Except, that...the designers (for the Titanic) quite-obviously didn't have the most-current engineering-analysis software that would have pin-pointed the weaknesses in their fabrication-process...not-to-mention the possibility of them doing a better job of structural stress-analysis.

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MisMac

Jul-03-13 10:23 AM

Correction: Being a past, Governor-appointed, DEP secretary does NOT make them environmentalists. It makes them intentially-selected appointees whose views reflect that of their superiors.

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pinecr

Jul-03-13 10:44 AM

Cautious gratitude...Rendell you are a gas industry puppet. Your pockets got filled and that is why you are backing the gas industry...it has nothing to do with how safe it is for the air we breathe and the water we drink....you pushed this and didn't even ask for any tests to be done first...you sold our state out just like Corbett did!

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Judgeandjury

Jul-03-13 10:50 AM

"The environmental panic specialists need to drop the knee-jerk resistance to any economic activity that requires use of land, water, river, streams and forests and instead assess it fairly."

And the economic development supporters need to realize that there is not a money genie that is going to make us a wealthy state without some negative impacts. The impact on this state is far too dramatic as is the impact on the world. It is a shame that we assume our previously elected officials really care about anything but the money. I assume we all know that Rendell is Special Counsel with Ballard Spahr, a law firm that makes a great deal of money off the NG Industry. He has a lot to gain if this industry moves forward. I believe that falls into the category of conflict of interest.

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Ritty77

Jul-03-13 8:32 PM

"First, this line of thinking sounds a lot like that used before the Titanic's only voyage." —DavidBross

What facts would you provide to support that premise?

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MrShaman

Jul-04-13 7:55 AM

"Cautious gratitude...Rendell you are a gas industry puppet. Your pockets got filled..." - pinecr

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This is a KNOWN...or, a BELIEF? (You "conservatives"...and, your faith-based brethren...always manage to get the two confused.)

Exactly, HOW did Rendell get his "pockets filled"...and, for what AMOUNT$??

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MrShaman

Jul-04-13 8:04 AM

"I assume we all know that Rendell is Special Counsel with Ballard Spahr, a law firm that makes a great deal of money off the NG Industry." - Judgeandjury

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"Special Counsel", huh? oooooooooooooo... how ominous!!!!!

Ya' think he gets his (own) black-helicopter???

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See:

Governor Edward G. Rendell Rejoins Ballard Spahr

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-04-13 8:24 AM

"First, this line of thinking sounds a lot like that used before the Titanic's only voyage."--DavidBross

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Captain of the Titanic wants to make it to the destination in record time and make a big splash. There are icebergs out there and I want to run all those engines to maximum capacity; full speed ahead, as in his mind he thinks "we are invincible". Stupidity, absolute stupidity. Operator error. Bad judgement.

If there were renegades and Rambos in the gas industry like that then it would be a mess. That is why there are regulations, engineering designs, trained people (at least it is improving) and proven practices and designs that are used.

You can take the "fit for purpose" design and use it where it is not purposed and it can have problems.

Fracking has been done hundreds of thousands of times and does not bust up through the layers of rock into the fresh water zones.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-04-13 8:33 AM

"Second, I doubt the danger to the environment was what held back fracking decades ago."--DavidBross

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Fracking has been done for decades. I was involved with Massive Hydraulic Fractures (MHF)(at least that was the terminology at the time) in East Texas in the late 70's. They were done safely without damaging the fresh water. Decades before then, there were conventional (smaller) fracs.

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Ritty77

Jul-04-13 8:38 AM

Many seem to put the economic positives of fossil fuel extraction at the forefront. This is wrong, economic gains certainly are a big benefit of drilling, but the foremost reason to drill is to get the fuel we need to live.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-04-13 8:43 AM

"And much of the fresh water remains polluted."--Francine

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Yes, I see oil sheens on the river that they burn off every night. I see the hospital emergency rooms back logged with patients who have a burning sensation in their throat from drinking the water. I see people walking around that set off Geiger Counters due to the radiation in the water that they drink. I see fish that are mutating and growing teeth and legs that crawl into houses at night and eat little children.

I guess you were expecting the gas industry to clean up all the mine acid that runs into the streams from the abandoned mining operations.

Red herring.

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BornHere

Jul-04-13 10:24 AM

Rendell received contributions from the oil and gas industries from 4/09/2005 until 11/02/2006 totaling $199,700. National Institute of Money in State Politics.

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BornHere

Jul-04-13 11:53 AM

My sister is a Real Estate and Environmental Law Attorney, so now you have chosen to insult my family members, what's next my disabled husband?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-04-13 2:52 PM

"Safe does not mean occasionally, safe means never!"--Francine

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Never, are you sure you mean never? Do you want to apply the same standard to yourself?

Have you ever spilled gasoline (with benzene and cyclohexane) on the ground when filling a car? What about the gasoline vapors that were displaced out of the tank when you filled it up? Ever change your oil and get some drops on the ground? What about the used oil and filter; what was done with them? Ever spray insecticide on bushes? Kill the weeds with a herbicide? Or pour Drano, bleach or other cleansers down the sink? What about burning wood in the fireplace? How about the fuel oil fired heater for the house? Where do you get your electric power; what pollution generating fuel did they use? How much pollution was generated to build your home, make the modern conveniences in your home, grow the food that you eat? The medicines you take can sometimes pass through your body end up in the river.

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DavidBross

Jul-04-13 8:36 PM

The Titanic was considered unsinkable by its builders and by its owners. The technology behind its design and construction was touted as being far above anything else that had existed. That confidence is similar to the confidence expressed in the editorial regarding technological advances.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-04-13 9:03 PM

Francine,

You set the criteria which was "never". I simply asked a series of questions to see if you can meet the same standard that you want to apply to others.

Do I blame you for destroying the earth? Am I accusing you of being evil? The answer is no; these are normal activities. I am simply pointing out that everyone of us has an impact on the environment in some form or fashion even though some think they don't.

Hundreds of thousands of wells in the US have been fracture stimulated without pumping frack fluid into fresh water. A well (the Kaiser well) in West Virginia was fracked and fluid traveled up through an undocumented abandoned wellbore into the Parson's fresh water well. That is the only frack that is documented in the USA that has contaminated fresh water and it was an anomaly.

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BornHere

Jul-05-13 7:52 AM

You assume that you know what field of Environmental Law my sister works in, you know nothing, still that does not give you the right to insult my family.

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BornHere

Jul-06-13 3:19 PM

Thank you, prove away.

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BornHere

Jul-06-13 7:15 PM

Well you have earned a gold star, you will have to find someone else to harass and ridicule their family for the next 2 weeks I'm leaving for vacation have fun! Oh I forgot Pavillion + Baseline = MONEY

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