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July 3, 2013

A letter was written about a child denied graduation rites because they were home school....

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enoughalready

Jul-05-13 8:22 AM

wwhic****, you may be confusing "homebound education" and "home school education." A home schooled student is required to submit an affidavit to the school district stating they are being home schooled and who their home school supervisor is. They then turn in a portfolio of their school year work for the district superintendent to review by June 30. No staff member collects weekly assignments.

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Zippie

Jul-04-13 8:12 AM

You have ALMOST 1 (one) year to change the rules if you think that any child should be able to walk down the isle. You have school board meetings and the ability to draw up petitions to present your case.

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wwhickok

Jul-04-13 6:16 AM

Also, and this is really the last thing I have to say about this.. the whole "unless you have a child you're not qualified to give an opinion on this topic" (paraphrasing) is utter bullsh*t.

I have a kid, but I've never been homeschooled, like I said, I know a few people who have and 2/3 of them have done very well for themselves since then, including attending college.

I do have children but that doesn't necessarily qualify me for this topic. What DOES qualify me is that I'm a tax payer and we're discussing the School District, who continues to raise taxes. Even the parents or grandparents home schooling this boy, pay taxes. Those taxes, with all due respect, earn that boy the right to a diploma when he's put in the effort to graduate, imo.

This is just a pure example of a School District trying to tell people "if you're not doing it our way, you're not worth anyone's time".

Great Attitude... and that's why the dropout rate continues to rise.

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wwhickok

Jul-04-13 6:12 AM

Also the whole "the child didn't graduate from the school". That's correct, he graduated from the School District. Last I knew, you had to have someone from the district visit you on a weekly basis to check up on you and collect assignments (I'm not overly familiar with home schooling but know just a few people who have done it). So essentially the child did graduate from the district, so it's fair to suggest he should be eligible for a diploma from the District.

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wwhickok

Jul-04-13 6:08 AM

This child could have been one of the many who just drop out and never finish their schooling, instead, he was homeschooled and he DID finish his schooling. He put in the effort to get an education.

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wwhickok

Jul-04-13 6:06 AM

Reeder, we're going to have to agree to disagree. The school system owes EVERYONE more. Sadly we have been getting closer to an age where less teachers care. To some degree there's justification for that, in the way teachers are treated and their lack of pay, etc. But ultimately the school systems are breaking. They continue to lose funding, they aren't ran as efficiently as they once were. A child should have the right to attend a graduation if he is putting in the work, even if it is via home schooling.

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WKnapp

Jul-03-13 10:48 PM

If tax dollars are paying for school, taxes paid by all regardless of the presence of school age children in the home, and the dollars are sufficient that those choosing to utilize the public schools need pay no more money, then those choosing not to utilize the public facilities for their children, those children should have all extracurricular activities made available for them, because, after all, the tax is still being paid by the parents

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enoughalready

Jul-03-13 2:01 PM

Usually, GysgtUSMC, a homeschooler only takes "specials" ie. music, art if they take classes on campus. Also, there is a local Home School Cooperative, maybe they should hold their own graduation ceremony.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-03-13 1:04 PM

Thanks for the kind words EastEnder and back at ya!

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-03-13 12:44 PM

No they received a high school diploma but they were not at school for 2 out of the 4 semesters a year. Everyone seems to ignore and Mr. Reeder left out the fact that this kid DID ATTEND afternoon classes at the school as stated in the original letter. And I would be curious to know what how the graduating class felt. Did they want him to participate since he did attend some classes with them and play sports with him. After all it was their graduation.

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FormerEastEnder

Jul-03-13 12:38 PM

"When I went to school they had a Vo-Tech program at WACC. The students spent just as much time there as they did at school and as long as they had the credits they were able to graduate" - GySgtUSMC

Gunny - Did those students who participated in VoTech also GRADUATE from WACC, or just the HS they attended? Surely you aren't saying they are entitled to a diploma from WACC just because they took 1-2 classes as part of their schooling?

I usually agree with most of your postings in the comments (though not publically noted) and I sincerely thank you for your service to our country. As one fellow Vet (USN) to another, your time and service is appreciated. SEMPER FI !!

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-03-13 12:33 PM

Oh and don't kid yourself, this letter is ALL about home schooling. If you don't believe me go back and read the original letter and the 149 comments that go with it.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-03-13 12:25 PM

Sorry, in my experience there's nothing worse than someone who has no kids trying to tell you how to raise your kids. The reason I made the comment is in response to Mr. Reeder writing "It is not the school you should be disappointed with but your grandchild's parents"

That to me is judging the parents for something he knows nothing about.

But, I apologize if my opinion offends Mr. Reeder or anyone else.

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aretesancus

Jul-03-13 11:30 AM

GysgtUSMC -- "Unless you've raised children or are raising children, I don't think you have the qualifications to offer advice or opinion (on this topic)."

Really?!? Because I don't have a child or haven't raised a child I can't offer an opinion or give advice?!? I suppose you'll ignore my opinion about gun rights because I don't own a gun. I don't have a gas well drill pad next door to me so I can't debate the pros/cons of natural gas drilling? Or, because I don't drive the Route 220 corridor between Williamsport and Jersey Shore I can't offer my thoughts on reduced speed limits or limited access to that roadway?

That's hogwash. This topic isn't about raising kids; it's about a school's decision to not allow a kid who was home-schooled to "walk" in a graduation ceremony. It's about a consequence for an action.

Mr. Reeder's points were mostly logical and fact-based. Whether he has a child(ren) is irrelevant.

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VXerick

Jul-03-13 10:49 AM

I would think if the parents pay school taxes in the district, then their children should be allowed the facilities of the school in that district, whether it's sports or other activities, including graduation.

If I had my druthers, there would be more access to private and home schooling and less reliance on the public system. It's another form of welfare. Think about it.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-03-13 10:09 AM

And just to be clear I did not home school my kids and I wouldn't recommend my kids to home school my grandkids. Some of my best years were in high school. But I do not judge those who do and I clearly see some of the reasons they do.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-03-13 9:43 AM

I think we need more information regarding this situation before we pass judgment. According to the original letter, this young man attended afternoon classes and wrestled and played football. Now I would think for that to happen he would have to be registered at that school. So it sounds like he got his required credits through home schooling and afternoon public school. When I went to school they had a Vo-Tech program at WACC. The students spent just as much time there as they did at school and as long as they had the credits they were able to graduate. I'm not quite sure, but I think some may be letting their attitude about home schooling, judge this specific incident because in my opinion if he was a registered and attended afternoon classes, then he is part of the student body. And I'm pretty sure just to represent the school in sports he has to be registered.

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-03-13 9:27 AM

It was always my understanding that Graduation Ceremonies were for the Student Body, et al those who attended classes at that school. I have nothing against homeschooling but I feel if you make that choice you should not expect your child to graduate with a school they didn't attend.I understand all the paperwork for homeschooling goes thru the local school district. Maybe the district should offer a ceremony at thier location for graduating homeschoolers. They really need to come up with a policy on this.

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DavidBross

Jul-03-13 9:07 AM

When it comes to home-schooled students participating in the activities of the district in which they live, I think that they should be allowed to participate in whatever activities that are appropriate for their age/grade level. However, there should be no additional cost burden placed on the district. For example, if a home-schooled student wishes to attend a class in the mid-day, their parents are responsible for their transportation, not the district because the district already offers transportation to and from school. Having said that, I think that, unless you fear for the safety of your child, you do your child a significant disservice by not sending them to school (public or private). Kids need to see people who are not like them and learn how to deal with folks they may not particularly like.

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FormerEastEnder

Jul-03-13 9:05 AM

consequences**.. i give up

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FormerEastEnder

Jul-03-13 9:04 AM

condequences*... sheesh.. ANOTHER CUP, PLEASE !!

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FormerEastEnder

Jul-03-13 9:03 AM

curricular*.. coffee hasn't hit yet

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FormerEastEnder

Jul-03-13 9:02 AM

I agree with Mr. Reeder's letter. There are consequences for actions, both good and bad. The child probably received a better education at home, but did not earn the right to walk down the aisle of a school he did not attened to earn that education (setting extra ciricular aside). I see no obligation in a school that has to offer a diploma to a student that did not attend, but then I am not an expert but only seeing it for what was presented. Condequences = actions.

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SteelerFan

Jul-03-13 9:01 AM

I'm generally not in favor of home schooling but understand that in some cases, home schooling is in the child's best interest. For the 'normal' student, public school is the best place to be as the student is introduced to people from all walks and beliefs in life, which IMHO, makes them a better person and citizen.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-03-13 8:47 AM

Farmer, that was exactly my point regarding my comment about Mr. Reeder. If you go back and read the original letter entitled "Denied" in early June and read some of his comments, such as "Don't want thier children indoctrinated but it is the parents who home schooling who are doing the indoctrination." It is obvious that he more against home schooling. And my only response to that is if you don't have kids, how can you comment or judge others?

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