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Independence Day dawns amid some disquieting actions

July 4, 2013

This Independence Day dawns at a time when the government is having to explain why it needs the phone records and Internet history of regular citizens, news reporters and editors and why certain......

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MrShaman

Jul-04-13 7:48 AM

"This Independence Day dawns at a time when the government is having to explain why it needs the phone records and Internet history of regular citizens, news reporters and editors and why certain political groups are enduring more scrutiny than normal from the Internal Revenue Service."

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No more WHINING...without SOME kind o' specificity...PLEASE!!!!

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See:

The IRS targeting controversy: A timeline

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FortySixand2

Jul-04-13 11:20 AM

I remember when the Patriot Act was passed in Congress and signed by our dear leader(Great Protector Bush), enabling the surveillance programs. Anyone objecting at the time were loudly shouted down by the conservatives and told they were siding with the terrorists. So we told you so! And now you've got a problem with govt surveillance? You've given it to us! IRS just targeting cons is BS! There were also numerous groups targeted with the words "progressive" and "occupy" in their name titles. Those who didn't get targeted were the Koch Bros and Karl Rove!

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MrShaman

Jul-05-13 6:18 AM

"I remember when the Patriot Act was passed in Congress and signed by our dear leader(Great Protector Bush), enabling the surveillance programs. Anyone objecting at the time were loudly shouted down by the conservatives and told they were siding with the terrorists." - FortySixand2

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You might want to double-check. From what I remember, "conservatives" preferred the term "REAL Americans", back then.

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FortySixand2

Jul-07-13 11:16 AM

From an article in The NYT on 7/6/13...The 11-member Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as the FISA court, was once mostly focused on approving case-by-case wiretapping orders. But since major changes in legislation and greater judicial oversight of intelligence operations were instituted six years ago, it has quietly become almost a parallel Supreme Court, serving as the ultimate arbiter on surveillance issues and delivering opinions that will most likely shape intelligence practices for years to come, the officials said. Hmmmmm? 6 years ago? Why, that would be under GWB, right?

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FortySixand2

Jul-07-13 11:21 AM

By the way, the article is titled..."In Secret, Court Vastly Broadens Powers of N.S.A." By ERIC LICHTBLAU

The cons might also be interested in knowing what role Chief Justice John Roberts plays in the surveillance picture... "The 11 FISA judges, chosen from throughout the federal bench for seven-year terms, are all appointed by the chief justice. In fact, every FISA judge currently serving was appointed by Chief Justice John Roberts, who will continue making such appointments until he retires or dies. FISA judges don’t need confirmation -- by Congress or anyone else." That from an article in Bloomberg News

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