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July 5, 2013

Man has proven time and time again that he is unable to rule himsel....

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WKnapp

Jul-07-13 9:28 PM

MrShaman

Jul-06-13 10:10 AM Try, again. I was brought-up in an EXTREMELY-conservative Protestant-household. They were SO Protestant...my maternal great-grandparents were in the PA Klan...like so-MANY others, during the '30s. I'm a "pro", when it comes to recognizing hypocrisy.

Ummm ... not as much of a pro at recognizing as you are at disseminating and perpetuating it! When I want to read a huge helping of hypocrisy and hypocritical ideas, I turn to your comments. Are you flattered? (EXTEREME SARCASM FONT!!)

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mikekerstetter

Jul-07-13 6:14 PM

My point is NOT that you use a screen name.

My point, and what I find that is so cowardly, is that you use personal information about other posters as part of your political agenda. That you do so while hiding your identity and your own personal transgressions is reprehensible. You're a low-life coward, plain and simple.

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spike2

Jul-07-13 3:17 PM

And you Kerstetter, you think you are a brave,bold critical thinker? This is not about self-aggrandizement or agreeing with a certain group. There are many on here who do not use their real name. You calling me a name does not make me one. My point was if someone continuously posts family values, shouldn't they exhibit the same? Same as I give less credibility to someone convicted of an offense than someone who has none. I can assure you I have none of the two aforementioned scenarios. You will just have to live with it or ignore my posts.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-07-13 12:21 PM

Like I said, cowardly, despicable, and a poor excuse for a human being.

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spike2

Jul-07-13 11:47 AM

Bummer Kersetter, I am actually retired. No clearance, no job.Good thing I worked hard, saved and invested. No government handout and not at an age to draw. You should never consider investigatory work because frankly, you have no skills. Ritty - Google and then check the UJS portal. Available to everyone. As to Erik, actually I know via friends. I really don't care what you find cowaedly or despicable. You have absolutely no effect on my life. There are those here I do respect and follow. You are not one of them. In what world should I not evaluate who I listen to through any means available to me. The means is called a computer. You have one too. Use it.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-07-13 11:16 AM

spike2-"Kerstetter - you use your name and no one knows who you are. This is about opinion not ID."

The point is, coward, that you bring up the fact that Erik is divorced, a fact that you wouldn't know except that he uses his real name, all the while cowering behind a screen name. And since we're on the subject, I believe (no proof, just a hunch and some things you've said in the past) that part of the reason that you hide is that you use a special clearance in your job to gather information (Read: info about Ritty) and then use that info here in an open forum.

In either case, I find it cowardly and despicable.

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spike2

Jul-07-13 8:31 AM

Kerstetter - you use your name and no one knows who you are. This is about opinion not ID.

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Bufftrev1

Jul-07-13 6:40 AM

Lol.. I'm afraid that doesnt constitute proof, Mike. Perhaps you just weren't very well behaved last year..

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mikekerstetter

Jul-07-13 4:51 AM

Buff, I CAN prove there is no santa since I bought the gifts.

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Bufftrev1

Jul-06-13 8:38 PM

Hi mike.. but Santa didn't buy them.. you or your spouse did. I guess I'm trying to rationalize.. You taught the kids about Santa, in the spirit of the holiday, as everyone does. But, as they got older, they likely asked or determined that there is no Santa Clause. Humanity invented him, but, at the same time, you can't prove it.. you just know. But, the same logic doesn't seem to apply to god. There is no proof he exists, just a belief and that is enough for you. There doesn't seem to be much that differentiates the two.. just sheer belief. Interesting, indeed.. enjoy your Saturday evening, we rented Lincoln on Netflix, with Daniel Day Lewis. He may have won an Oscar for the role..

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mikekerstetter

Jul-06-13 6:56 PM

Bufftrev1-"Hi Mike.. but there is no proof as to the existence of either caricature. But, neither is there proof that they do not exist.. can you prove there is no Santa Clause?"

Really? If you want I'll show you the receipts for the Christmas presents that 'santa' bought. That's got to be one of the most unintelligent arguments I've seen yet. You're usually a whole lot better than that.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-06-13 1:16 PM

"They were SO Protestant...my maternal great-grandparents were in the PA Klan...like so-MANY others, during the '30s."--MrShaman

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So were those Protestants able to show you where God told them it was his will for them to oppress others based on color. I believe that it was probably more of a man-made philosophy, tradition, and environmental influence. At least you learned it was wrong to oppress people based on their color.

See William Wilberforce and go sing Amazing Grace by John Newton, former slave ship captain.

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Bufftrev1

Jul-06-13 12:25 PM

Hi Mike.. but there is no proof as to the existence of either caricature. But, neither is there proof that they do not exist.. can you prove there is no Santa Clause?

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mikekerstetter

Jul-06-13 11:26 AM

Buff, Santa and the Easter Bunny were allowed but the Birth, death and resurrection of Christ were Celebrated as the respective reasons for the Holy Days. I'm not sure where this fits in with the topic.

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Bufftrev1

Jul-06-13 11:04 AM

Hi mike.. just curious and I mean this with only a touch of saracasm but I can't help but wonder what you taught your children about Santa Claus, the Easter bunnu and the tooth fairy. I'd imagine it was the typical narrative when they were level to one degree or another and then the truth as they got older.. I'm guessing you can see where I'm headed with this.. enjoy your Saturday, we're having a 1/2 birthday party today for the kids as their birthdays are near Christmas, with a dinosaur themed cake.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-06-13 10:37 AM

CHayes-"That's one of the most ridiculously false statements I've ever heard. Clearly Mike you are neither an astrophysicist, or an anthropologist."

Chris, Empirical Science requires that something be observable and repeatable. As such, there is no empirical scientific evidence that life began randomly out of a blob of goo nor that all life evolved from that life form. That many scientists embrace a theory that cannot be proven does not make it true. While it may be true, science cannot prove , and no scientists will tell you, with 100% certainty that the theory is true.

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MrShaman

Jul-06-13 10:30 AM

"I guess that should read, jesus admonished his followers.." - Bufftrev1

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...As-well-as "...DISDAIN for the bible."

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That's quite understandable...after considering the multiple-parallels....

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See:

Biblical Narratives And The Quran (Wikipedia)

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MrShaman

Jul-06-13 10:20 AM

"The truth is, however, that in many aspects of science, particularly in the origins of life and Darwin's theory of evolution, one has only faith to go on because there is no empirical scientific evidence to back up either scientific theory." - mikekerstetter

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...At least, that's your programmed-assumption.

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See:

Common Lies Christians Tell

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mikekerstetter

Jul-06-13 10:11 AM

spike2-"Erik - when did you start defending marriage? Didn't mind walking from your own."

Oh, Look, here's spike again talking about someone else's personal life while hiding behind a screen name. I've said it before, you're a poor excuse for a human being.

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MrShaman

Jul-06-13 10:10 AM

MrShaman

Jul-05-13 11:24 AM

We are directed to "Go, make disciples of the whole world..." - WKnapp

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....And, kill everyone-else....

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See:

Biblical Intolerance

OK, MrStupid (same number of letters!)my guess is that you never read the Book you so frequently denigrate and ridicule." - WKnapp

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Try, again. I was brought-up in an EXTREMELY-conservative Protestant-household. They were SO Protestant...my maternal great-grandparents were in the PA Klan...like so-MANY others, during the '30s. I'm a "pro", when it comes to recognizing hypocrisy.

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notsopoliticallycorrect

Jul-06-13 10:07 AM

I appreciate the suggestion, but feel quite comfortable in the camp o' St. George.

See: George Carlin on Religion and God (YouTube)- MrShaman

What can you say about a buffoon who get's his theology from a George Carlin video?

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spike2

Jul-06-13 10:07 AM

Erik - when did you start defending marriage? Didn't mind walking from your own. Guess it is easy to break a contract. How does that work with you and your Family Values principles? The Bible Group should understand not everyone ascribes to your beliefs. Just accept it. You are not changing anyone. Do what you see as your personal mission of obedience. Forcing conversion only creates a stronger resistance. Shaman - stop with the endless posts. Everyone is annoyed. Try a nice concise response. The "work harders" - not everyone has a job. There are simply not as many jobs as there are job seekers. Not everyone can work harder. How about the moms who are working and are raising kids alone? Kids are also work.Not all moms can stay at home. Many women do both . Should she take a second and third job and let her kids raise themselves?

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MrShaman

Jul-06-13 10:01 AM

"...And, when all (else) fails, a good stoning can help change attitudes!!"

"....And, kill everyone-else....

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See: Biblical Intolerance" --MrShaman

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I am into Chapter 7 of the book is called "Is God a Moral Monster" by Paul Copan. I suggest that you read it. It might help answer some of your questions." - ToTEXASfromPA

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I appreciate the suggestion, but feel quite comfortable in the camp o' St. George.

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See:

George Carlin on Religion and God (YouTube)

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mikekerstetter

Jul-06-13 9:41 AM

CMReeder-"So then Mike the right prefers not to have a level field and to not be rewarded for their hard work. That only one person should reap all the awards."

Chuck, liberals believe that everyone should enjoy the same reward regardless of risk and/or effort. Conservatives believe the opportunity for success should be the same for everyone.

You've suggested a few times that a business owner has no right to the profit of his company, that the employees come before him in the running of that company. We believe that the Business owner has every right to operate his company how he wishes within the law.

We don't envy the rich nor do we think the rich owes anything extra because he is rich. You believe that everyone else is entitled to share in what the rich guy has.

There is the difference.

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MrShaman

Jul-06-13 9:39 AM

"There are a small percentage of Christians in America that would like a theocracy; they hope to completely establish the church and government as one to pave the way for the return of Jesus Christ, ie establish the post-millennial kingdom. This is the minority opinion, even in conservative Christians." - ToTEXASfromPA

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...And, you (in the Majority) are "incapable" of publicly-confronting them...and, their agenda...more-OFTEN...why????

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