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The problem

July 4, 2013

Many letter writers and commentators take a hard right or hard left position, but in the end the problem with voting at all is the winner is always a politician....

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CMReeder

Jul-05-13 7:34 AM

Capitalism breeds crony capitalism but then some people don't understand that they believe in the fairy tale of capitalism.

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CMReeder

Jul-05-13 7:32 AM

Sorry it is still the same system Phil it has not changed.

There were people back in the beginning that made a career out of politics/public service.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-05-13 7:16 AM

I see.

In what other ways do you support using government to protect people from their own actions?

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-05-13 6:33 AM

Jerry I would agree with you except we don't do a very good job getting these career politicians, that are corrupted by the system, out of office. Those are the ones that "run" Capitol Hill and "mentor" the freshmen in their ways.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-05-13 5:38 AM

@GysgtUSMC

I would prefer to leave the power with the people, rather than the government, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-04-13 10:20 PM

That should be writing them a check... sorry

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-04-13 10:19 PM

Jerry: you want term limits (the force of law over the will of the people to choose)

Yep just like the Office of the president.

Jerry: restrict money in politics (the force of law over the 1st Amendment rights of donors)

I find it curious how the left is against big business until they are righting them a check.

Jerry: open primaries nationwide (the force of law over the members of a political party to choose their own representative).

Yep Seventeen states use an open party primary system, including Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia and Wisconsin. Of these states, Hawaii, Minnesota and North Dakota conduct open caucus elections.

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Bufftrev1

Jul-04-13 6:50 PM

Happy 4th of July to everyone! Even you self identified conservatives,,

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JerryfromRI

Jul-04-13 5:25 PM

So, just to review, you want term limits (the force of law over the will of the people to choose), restrict money in politics (the force of law over the 1st Amendment rights of donors) and open primaries nationwide (the force of law over the members of a political party to choose their own representative).

Happy Independence Day everyone!

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Premier

Jul-04-13 2:12 PM

"....Especially you youngsters who thought ReRon Reagan "founded" the United States."

See Sham "there you go again"!

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philunderwood

Jul-04-13 1:17 PM

I’m not sure, Gunny. I lived in CA before I moved here and in IL for about twelve years; they all had closed primaries. I registered as independent early on, but then realized that I sometimes missed out on voting for someone I liked during the primaries, so I registered Republican. I’m actually libertarian, but I don’t see the Libertarian Party being viable any time soon.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-04-13 12:39 PM

Phil I understand what you are saying about the primaries, but how do the other 31 states work with regards to independents? Do they have open primaries?

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MrShaman

Jul-04-13 10:57 AM

"See: Five Things Everyone Should Know About GOP Senate Candidate Ted Cruz"

His concerns are genuine given his defense of the Constitution, national sovereignty, and the rule of law." - Ritty77

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Yeah...sure...him, Pat Buchanan (the "darling" of Storm Front) and Joe McCarthy (a burnt-out alcoholic who ALSO "saw" communists, everywhere).

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Ritty77

Jul-04-13 10:52 AM

"See: Five Things Everyone Should Know About GOP Senate Candidate Ted Cruz"

His concerns are genuine given his defense of the Constitution, national sovereignty, and the rule of law.

Since you don't support these things, it's only natural that you would disagree with him and reference a "ThinkProgress" snide, straw man-laced article.

See: Reality

See also: Cowardly troll

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MrShaman

Jul-04-13 10:51 AM

"I'm more jaded about this topic than most because I'm older than most but as far as I'm concerned all candidates are politicians." - VXerick

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That's what's always amused me...when one politician accuses another of "getting political"!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MrShaman

Jul-04-13 10:47 AM

"Let’s declare independence from our government today." - philunderwood

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...Until, of COURSE, Corporate America feels we "need" another War.

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MrShaman

Jul-04-13 10:45 AM

Phil "When Capitalism became crony capitalism professional politicians and their supporters emerged."

The problem is very few voters understand what you're talking about, Phil." - Bobbie2

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....Especially you youngsters who thought ReRon Reagan "founded" the United States.

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See:

John Boehner Admits To Giving Bribes From Big Tobacco On The House Floor

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VXerick

Jul-04-13 10:42 AM

I'm more jaded about this topic than most because I'm older than most but as far as I'm concerned all candidates are politicians. I believe few people go into politics because they want to help their fellow man or country. They see power and money as a by-product of winning and that motivates their candidacy.

But I do think that primaries should be open to all voters. I'm an Independent, so have never voted in a primary. I am not going to dirty my record by re-registering into a party label so I can vote.

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MrShaman

Jul-04-13 10:34 AM

"Ted Cruz is an exception. No he is not." - CMReeder

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Maybe, Ritty77 meant "exceptional"...you know, like..."special".

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See:

Five Things Everyone Should Know About GOP Senate Candidate Ted Cruz

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MrShaman

Jul-04-13 10:18 AM

"The prevailing sentiment there is: If they're in my party, then they are right and everyone else who doesn't agree is wrong. They may be right, but they may turn out to be wrong too. President Obama to name one." - Francine

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...And, Lil Dumbya Bush will ALWAYS be NUMBER One!!!!!

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See:

WMD LIES - Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc. - THE ULTIMATE CLIP (YouTube)

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MrShaman

Jul-04-13 10:12 AM

"True, Phil.

"America's current moral decline is directly linked to the fact that we have elected, appointed, and hired too many leaders who have no character"- From the book '12 Ordinary Men'." - mikekerstetter

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AGREED!!!

From:

National ID Series - The Worried Shrimp

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MrShaman

Jul-04-13 10:08 AM

"...but in the end the problem with voting at all is the winner is always a politician." - Phil Underwood

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Gee....lemme write-that-one, down!!

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JerryfromRI

Jul-04-13 9:56 AM

Oh so now some of you are OK with telling others how they can spend their money in support of candidates.

Please tell us more about how you would protect our freedom.

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philunderwood

Jul-04-13 9:40 AM

Let’s declare independence from our government today.

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philunderwood

Jul-04-13 9:28 AM

During the early years of our country, people served as an obligation, not as a career. When Capitalism became crony capitalism professional politicians and their supporters emerged. Ways around any laws passed to try and control political contributions are in place before the laws are even passed. If you don’t like the present system, don’t work to pass ever more foolish laws to try and control it; work to reduce the size of government and to change the system itself.

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