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July 5, 2013

We are talking about the economy, i.e., we have had a sub 2 percent GDP Since 2007. That doesn’t cut it when you want to pull out of a recession....

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DKMDKM

Jul-05-13 2:57 AM

Come up with a solid explanation or this stuff, then you can have all of the room in the world to complain about spending...

According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion dollars by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money. The CBO estimated that of the $2.4 trillion long-term price tag for the war, about $1.9 trillion of that would be spent on Iraq, or $6,300 per U.S. citizen.

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USABorn

Jul-05-13 4:18 AM

DKMDKM - In other words, it's Bush's fault! Unfortunately, that excuse is getting old. Now the cancer wants to send American military into Egypt. He has sent our military into Jordan. What's next? Syria? And this cancer got a Nobel Peace prize? Incredible!!!

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DKMDKM

Jul-05-13 4:57 AM

USA, it's not just his fault, it's the fault of the congress that made the wars happen too. The same holds true for the current spending, it's not just one sided. But if we are going to point out things, I would like to throw that out there, because it dwarfs everything else. A little objectivity wouldn't hurt ya know?

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CarlHiller

Jul-05-13 5:52 AM

DKMDKM - You are absolutely correct it is the fault of both parties and the people themselves for not holding elected Reps accountable. The House could turn the whole agenda around today if they wanted too, but they won't because both parties have an agenda that is best for them and their cronies but not for America as a whole.

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CMReeder

Jul-05-13 6:47 AM

So the trips the President takes is causing all this.

The CBO has a report that the immigration bill will help cut the deficit.

The austerity measures pushed by the right has hurt recovery. War is a drain on the treasury, it is never a plus.

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MrShaman

Jul-05-13 6:56 AM

"We are talking about the economy, i.e., we have had a sub 2 percent GDP Since 2007. That doesn't cut it when you want to pull out of a recession. A 4 percent rate is what is needed and is quite normal, yet we are not reaching it. We all know the dollar has been losing ground against comparable currencies; in fact, it has lost 13 percent since 2009." - Alan Cohick

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Not to worry. The 1%ers/high-roller$ are managing to "get-by", as a result o' their PRE-War tax-cut "bonus buck$".

How "fortunate", for them (and, their weapons-industry inve$tment$), we'd gone to War, right-AFTER they got those "badly-needed" tax-cuts!! I'm assuming it was the direct-result of their "prayers" being answered.

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DKMDKM

Jul-05-13 7:00 AM

Hey Shaman, could you just stop posting on these. You make anyone even remotely progressive look bad, it's not helpful.

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MrShaman

Jul-05-13 7:04 AM

"DKMDKM - In other words, it's Bush's fault!" - USABorn

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You've just (finally) heard about that, huh??

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See:

Iraq Inquiry Commission, Hans Blix Testimony, Part 1 (C-SPAN)

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MrShaman

Jul-05-13 7:08 AM

"Hey Shaman, could you just stop posting on these. You make anyone even remotely progressive look bad, it's not helpful." - DKMDKM

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Lemme guess...you just "FORGOT" that all the war-spending never showed-UP in our budget...that all War-spending was generated thru "special-appropriations", huh??

You can call yourself "progressive"...when you quit "dropping-the-ball".

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DKMDKM

Jul-05-13 7:11 AM

Shaman, I am a progressive, but I am a sensible one. I don't go spitting the same talking points 1,000,000 times. It's the same kind of things people on the fringe of both sides do, it's not helpful. I didn't forget any spending, if you look at my earlier posts. I can acknowledge that democrats in congress voted for the money too though.

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MrShaman

Jul-05-13 7:11 AM

"So the trips the President takes is causing all this." - CMReeder

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Absolutely!!!! Obama's trip, to Africa, must "SURELY" have topped-out at (nearly) $100T, by now!!

I'm sure Porky Limbaugh can verify that.

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CHayes

Jul-05-13 7:42 AM

"We are talking about the economy, i.e., we have had a sub 2 percent GDP Since 2007. That doesn't cut it when you want to pull out of a recession."

I wonder who the letter writer voted for in 2004? I seem to remember that President Bush's first term, was the first time a US President saw a net job gain of ZERO in a 4 year term since the Great Depression.

I wonder if I went and hit the archives of the Sun, and pulled every paper from Oct and Nov of 2004, I'd see fawning letters from this letter writer calling for the reelection of President Bush?

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CHayes

Jul-05-13 7:45 AM

"We have a president who is taking a $4 million hunting vacation to Africa."

Hmm, I don't seem to recall this letter writer complaining about President Bush taking FIVE trips to Africa, or unlimited trips to his vacation home to "cut brush" on the taxpayer dime.

You know what's interesting to me, is the President has gone on all kinds of international trips. I wonder why the blitzkrieg from the right on the President taking a trip to Africa? Hmm...let's see.

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MrShaman

Jul-05-13 8:15 AM

DKMDKM - In other words, it's Bush's fault! Unfortunately, that excuse is getting old. Now the cancer wants to send American military into Egypt. He has sent our military into Jordan." - USABorn

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That's what Porky Limbaugh says, huh??

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MrShaman

Jul-05-13 8:19 AM

USA, it's not just his fault, it's the fault of the congress that made the wars happen too." - DKMDKM

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Ah, yes...the ol' "everybody does it"-option, to avoid any-and-all possibility of confrontation.

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See:

Bush Resurrects False Claim That Congress Had “Same Intelligence” On Iraq

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MrShaman

Jul-05-13 8:25 AM

DKMDKM - You are absolutely correct it is the fault of both parties and the people themselves for not holding elected Reps accountable. The House could turn the whole agenda around today if they wanted too, but they won't because both parties have an agenda that is best for them and their cronies..." - CarlHiller

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...AND, the fact, their Speaker isn't (exactly) a big fan o' work....

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See:

GOP House Leader A Lazy Drunk? (YouTube)

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MrShaman

Jul-05-13 8:30 AM

"Shaman, I am a progressive, but I am a sensible one. I don't go spitting the same talking points 1,000,000 times. It's the same kind of things people on the fringe of both sides do, it's not helpful." - DKMDKM

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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh...you think, instead, we need to try the ol' hearts-and-flowers/civility-option, with the T-Baggers, huh??

What was the event that caused your coma...from 2009, thru the present??

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CMReeder

Jul-05-13 8:57 AM

See the right like Bobbie make stuff up and believe it.

The republicans in Congress are more inept than Obama.

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JohnZook

Jul-05-13 9:47 AM

DKMDKM- I hate to say this but you may not be a "progressive" as you think. Look at the posts of Sham, Reeder, Hayes, Rick4(??). This is not meant to insult you, just an observation. Will watch for your posts again; appreciate your honesty.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-05-13 10:19 AM

DKMDKM, Wow, it's nice to hear from a progressive that is closer to center and has a mind of his own. Nothing in government will change until we get rid of this tow the party line mentality that is infecting our government and the people of this nation. You need to look no further than this message board to see the effect it has on the people. It's sad that it took an incident like 9/11 to bring the people and the government to work together and it hasn't been like that since. To the contrary, this nation is becoming more divided with each passing year and it is having a negative effect on every facet of our lives.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-05-13 10:22 AM

Oh and DKMDKM, just ignore Mr. Shaman. I scroll right through his babbling.

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MrShaman

Jul-05-13 11:38 AM

"DKMDKM, Wow, it's nice to hear from a progressive that is closer to center and has a mind of his own. Nothing in government will change until we get rid of this tow the party line mentality that is infecting our government and the people of this nation. You need to look no further than this message board to see the effect it has on the people. It's sad that it took an incident like 9/11 to bring the people and the government to work together and it hasn't been like that since." - GysgtUSMC

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...PRIMARILY, because...people have SEEN what major screw-ups can happen, when our emotions (with "conservative"-encouragement) override common-sense.

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See:

WMD LIES - Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc. - THE ULTIMATE CLIP (YouTube)

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CMReeder

Jul-05-13 12:26 PM

If I was you DKMDKM I would watch out for the conservatives here. They quickly turn on you. They have no love for any progressives.

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CMReeder

Jul-05-13 12:29 PM

To be honest GysgtUSMC if one is close to center they are not progressive. They are centrists. There is a difference.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-05-13 1:50 PM

President Obama never asked Congress for authorization to bomb Libya. He never complied with the War Powers Act to consult Congress within 90 days of the start of hostilities.

President Obama armed rebels in Libya, many with loyalty to Al Qaeda.

President Obama is involving us in Syria....again, without Congressional approval.

We will spend billions to reconstruct these nations, but most liberals will look the other way while complaining about the legitimate wars of Bush43.

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