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Hoops in Memorial Park

July 6, 2013

Children go to the Public Parks in Williamsport to enjoy play time....

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-06-13 4:56 AM

Until something is done about the Thugs with drugs and guns in town nothing will change. Two more teens shot on Thurs. The drug dealers wouldn't be here if nobody was buying.These days it's the parents buying as well as the kids.Great examples.It's sad that the quality of life for many residents is reduced because of the actions of a few.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-06-13 7:09 AM

The war on drugs has been a joke from the start. Until you confront and beat the addiction problem, the demand will always be there. They dumped billions and billions of dollars trying to cut off the wrong end of the snake. If that same money was used for rehabilitation and care of those addicted and parents took a more active role in parenting, the demand would decrease.

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MrShaman

Jul-06-13 9:01 AM

"Until something is done about the Thugs with drugs and guns in town nothing will change." - Tgrammiex4

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What're you...some kind o' anti-Capitalist??

You can't very-well make something EXTREMELY-PROFITABLE...and, hope no one takes advantage of the opportunity.

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-06-13 9:13 AM

You can't very-well make something EXTREMELY-PROFITABLE...and, hope no one takes advantage of the opportunity. - Mr. Shaman

So you support selling drugs? Not suprising....

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philunderwood

Jul-06-13 9:24 AM

Gunny is correct; as long as there’s a lucrative market for illegal drugs, or anything else for that matter, there’ll be criminals ready to take advantage of it. The violence is simply a byproduct of the criminal activity.

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spike2

Jul-06-13 9:56 AM

If there are no drugs there are no buyers. Addiction starts at any time. As long as the dealers have a supply and will give someone their first free for free, the addiction will follow. Does anyone get the depth of the local ****** problem? We continue to bust marijuana dealers while ****** dealers destroy this area in real time. Forget 20 years ago. This is a whole new group with guns. They exploit the addicted and shoot them for non-payment or other dealers who try to take their customers. Co-operation is limited because the new breed are willing to kill.

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philunderwood

Jul-06-13 10:06 AM

There will always be criminals ready to supply a profitable illegal market. The drug problem will never be solved by attempting to control the supply, that’ll only increase the cost and violence.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-06-13 10:35 AM

You're exactly right Phil. Take for instance this hypothetical. Williamsport makes an all out effort and is able to provide free extensive rehabilitation and care to their addicts, starting with those already in the system and offers it to those who want it outside the system. Say you have even a 40% success rate.. these dealers will move on to another area where there is higher demand and more profit to be made. With the multi billions of dollars that was spent over the years I think a nationwide war on addiction would have made more sense. It would have also allowed more people to become working members of society and reduced the bloated government dependency we have today.

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philunderwood

Jul-06-13 11:24 AM

Addiction should be treated as an illness, but I’d be willing to bet that the drug market demand comes mostly from “recreational” users. The only way to control that part of the market is a zero tolerance for drug use instead of treating much of it with a wink and a nod.

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RollingWithHusky

Jul-06-13 11:46 AM

The hoops went back up on Monday. My husband and I walked our dog through the park this morning. There were bottles, paper plates, chip bags and clothing strewn THROUGHOUT the park. We picked up everything we could see and put it in the trash cans. I did so from my power chair. We moved a couple of the trash cans because they were far from the used areas of the park. There was far more trash on the actual playground, volleyball sand, around the swings than there was at the basketball courts. People need to be honest about the situation at Memorial Park. It is NOT the courts that cause most of the trash. Take the time to go over any morning and see for yourself.

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philunderwood

Jul-06-13 1:24 PM

I read where cameras are being installed in parts of some parks. This seems to be a proper use of the cameras.

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nobud74

Jul-06-13 1:50 PM

Our war on drugs has been an abject failure. Trillions wasted. If you want to stop the drug trade it has to be a two pronged approach. First, you offer free rehab as often as it takes to anyone who wants it. I have to believe this is a more effective use of monies and will yield productive citizens who contribute to the tax coffers. Two, treat drug dealers like they do elsewhere in the world, shoot them. Period. Yes, this is barbaric, but so it their activity and this is exactly what they understand. I am tired of my taxes going to defend and incarcerate those who deal and traffic drugs. Also, legalizing and taxing pot would go a long way to freeing up resources for harder and more insidious drugs.

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philunderwood

Jul-06-13 2:02 PM

If people want to use drugs, they’ll find a way of obtaining them and criminals will serve the very profitable market. Shooting one of them will only open up the territory to the competition. Forced rehab doesn’t work as a user has to reach his or her personal bottom before they’ll even attempt to clean up.

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RollingWithHusky

Jul-06-13 2:52 PM

Phil, the cameras are already up in Memorial Park, have been.

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philunderwood

Jul-06-13 3:43 PM

Do they cover the entire park or just the basketball courts? Are they monitored in real time?

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RollingWithHusky

Jul-06-13 5:46 PM

The ones my husband and I have seen are at the pavilion near Bowman field and the other is in the park next to the volleyball net. I can't say if there is another near the basketball court or not. My husband doesn't think so. I have no clue if they are monitored in real time or not, that was one of the questions we had when we first read about them. To be effective, one would think they would have to be monitored in real time, so officers could be deployed to the park when there is suspicious activity.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-06-13 7:30 PM

If you believe the hoops were taken down because of drug abuse at the park then why put the hoops back up? Has drug use suddenly stopped?

The Mayor's statement said this was about littering and teaching a lesson. From the Mayor's statement on June 21st:

"A lesson will be taught as a father and mother teaches their children. The rims will be reinstalled on July 1, 2013. If the behavior improves, the courts will remain. If not, I will consider removing the basketball rims permanently. We cannot enable bad behavior."

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spike2

Jul-06-13 9:16 PM

I don't think anyone said forced rehab. There is no forced rehab here. Treatment is an option in some legal situations. Some states do allow families to commit for treatment. We are not one. We should have a (m e t h a done clinic) at the hospital or the clinic in the Hepburn Plaza that If you really want the h e r o i n market to be controlled. It should be given daily with no one leaving the premises with anything.

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RollingWithHusky

Jul-06-13 10:17 PM

I don't understand what exactly the concern is. Is it drug paraphernalia? Because we've found that in our neighborhood. Is it bad language? You can hear that on any street, in any store, at any time. Is it litter in the park? Because, as I've said before the city employees that mow the park routinely run over litter and disperse it in larger areas. Is it violence? Because I've heard about more violence on Dewey Ave. than I have in Memorial Park.

This whole thing seems very disingenuous to me. The blaming seems extremely divisive.

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wwhickok

Jul-08-13 9:15 AM

Alright, here's my first question.

Sally, what have YOU done to address the problem? Please don't misunderstand my question either, I'm not saying you haven't done anything, I'm genuinely and sincerely asking.

I agree that social media isn't going to do much, except hopefully spread the word and gain interest.

But honestly, for those who are doing absolutely nothing, don't waste our time criticizing those that are trying to do SOMETHING, no matter how small.

If you aren't aware yet Sally, a big group of people, different organizations, and local government met a week ago and discussed these things.

Also, if anyone has a # for the "leader" of the Neighborhood Watch in the Newberry area, send it my way, I've actually asked about it several times.

The biggest problem, aside from the drug related issues, is the kids who don't know the meaning of Respect. This stems from bad parenting. Some people...just shouldn't have kids. Kids become Thugs when Parents let them act

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wwhickok

Jul-08-13 9:24 AM

Now, the first comment after mine is going to be something like "how can you tell a kid not to curse when you do".

#1, It's a bad habit and few habits are easily broken.

#2, there's nothing I hate worse than hypocrites. Some things require 'strong' words.

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RollingWithHusky

Jul-08-13 7:33 PM

wwhickok, We've asked around several times about the head of the Newberry neighborhood watch. At one time we were told by the Newberry Crime Association (is that the name of the group? It's been a while since we spoke to them)that there was no neighborhood watch and we should report anything suspicious to them and they would report it to the police. That seemed like a lot of unnecessary nonsense. A neighbor told me about someone over on Dewey Ave. that said he was the president of the Newberry neighborhood watch, but we've since been told he was ousted or left the position.

We don't know what to believe or how to find that information out. Aren't the neighborhood watches registered or listed with the city police? I thought the police usually helped to establish them?

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wwhickok

Jul-09-13 6:11 AM

That's what I thought too. I've been told they supposedly meet at some church, I've heard Dewey Ave and Prospect St or something, I have no idea honestly. I've NEVER seen anyone who appeared to be associated with the Neighborhood Watch (not that I could necessarily tell). There are signs up, but I definitely get the feeling if there ever was one, it's non-existent now. Which might be part of the problem.

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RollingWithHusky

Jul-09-13 8:39 PM

wwhickok, I think it is part of the problem. When I was growing up, my parents looked out for their neighbors and the neighbors looked out for us. We're lucky that on the block where we live, there are folks who keep an eye on things and will let us know if someone was where they shouldn't have been. Having said that, we also have neighbors who accuse us of being "nosy" because we do keep an eye out for things out of the ordinary. We also have neighbors who've told us they watched someone stealing out of our yard and didn't call the police. There just seems to be a general sense of "I don't care if it doesn't involve me."

If you do find out about a Newberry Neighborhood Watch please post information here.

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