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The fate of the losers

July 7, 2013

A conservative friend of mine is of the opinion that in life there are but two kinds of people: Winners and losers....

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CMReeder

Jul-08-13 7:40 AM

I did not twist your words GysgtUSMC. You apparently don't think people abuse the private sector then just the public sector. Ending social programs does not stop the abuse you just will add more abuse by denying people who need them.

I too know people who abused the system and guess what they were caught and fined and had to pay back.

I suggest that you be more clear on fighting the abuse and not the programs themselves. It has become abundantly clear that many on the right think social programs are abuse not being abused.

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WKnapp

Jul-07-13 8:50 PM

The single biggest driver of healthcare costs is having specialists to keep up with all the red tape regulations from the government and the continually rising malpractice insurance, powered by our extreme overload of ambulance-chasing lawyers. The federal government has shown no capability to do ANYTHING to control their own spending, much less healthcare spending. I will oppose so-called 'universal coverage' until my last breath.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-07-13 6:09 PM

Wayne,

I hope you're not equating me with Pelosi, because I certainly don't agree with her brand of philosophy.

I've long thought that rising healthcare costs and health insurance premiums, co-pays and deductibles have been a drain on our economy. Part of those costs are directly related to the healthcare industry having to raise prices to cover the losses for those who can't pay and the more intensive procedures to treat those who wait too long to see a Dr because they can't afford to seek medical treatment and only go when it's unbearable or an emergency. Covering everyone under a national system and spreading the costs out to all working individuals and businesses will make it more affordable for everyone, in my opinion.

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WKnapp

Jul-07-13 3:45 PM

mikekerstetter

Jul-07-13 5:45 AM

"I've long advocated a national health care system, modeled after an HMO that would cover everyone with health care and prescriptions from cradle to grave with a dedicated tax paid by workers and employers alike, just for that reason."

We need the 'cradle to grave' coverage so that, as Pelosi says, "...we can take a couple years off from work to pursue our passions, to find ourselves. Want to write a great American novel or compose a musical masterpiece, or maybe just do some travelling? You won't have to worry about what will happen if you're injured or fall ill during your time off from work..." So, while you're off having fun, who's carrying your load?

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spike2

Jul-07-13 3:11 PM

I completely agree with Gysgt with the possible exception of "food stamps". People who lost employment and became re-employed at a lower pay rate can qualify for assistance with food. I do think we should create control over what can be purchased. ie: lobster tail, delmonicos, etc. We should want those receiving to get the most nutritional bang for the buck.It seems a bit "Big Brother" but as long as we are subsidizing, we should make sure the purchase is for food that can make many meals. I also think the elderly should be allowed to purchase prepared food in a grocery store.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-07-13 2:06 PM

Think about this Mr Reeder, there are 300 million people in this country and how many of them can say they know of at least one person using and abusing the system? I, myself know of three. As long as the government enables this behavior, it will continue.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-07-13 2:01 PM

Mr. Reeder please don't twist my words. If you read my earlier posts you would know that I am talking about those that use and abuse the system in order to avoid personal responsibility. And please don't state that these instances are not the norm because it's becoming an epidemic. In the last four years welfare spending is up 32%, Medicaid spending is up 40% and there are 15 million more people on food stamps and these numbers continue to climb. Now how can that be if unemployment is "dropping", we are no longer in a recession and the economy is improving as the Administration suggests?

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CMReeder

Jul-07-13 12:25 PM

"These social programs that many on the left are such big fans of do more harm than good. But they need that almighty vote so it is them that do not care about the poor. It's not the rich that are dividing this nation. "

They do more harm than good. How so? Social programs are SSI, medicaid, medicare, WIC, Head Start and so many others. Public education is a social program. So I would really like how these are all so harmful. Who do they harm?

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CMReeder

Jul-07-13 12:21 PM

Stop with the winner/loser analogy. It is not a contest.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-07-13 12:00 PM

These social programs that many on the left are such big fans of do more harm than good. But they need that almighty vote so it is them that do not care about the poor. It's not the rich that are dividing this nation.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-07-13 11:55 AM

Spike: Do you really think kids who get by in school, who have extremely poor parents really believe they can be anything they want. Just because we believe it doesn't mean they do.

Sadly that is a very true statement. It starts with the parents and their responsibility to nurture their children and push them to be the best they can possibly be. But like I said earlier, if the parents/parent is being nurtured by government and doesn't accept life's responsibilities, then it ends up being a vicious cycle.

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DavidBross

Jul-07-13 11:54 AM

Phil, when I was teaching, I knew of only a few students who were held back with successful results. If done early, Kindergarten and 1st Grade, and it is because the child is developmentally not ready, then retention has merit. What I saw more of was students who had behavior issues in later grades and their retention was not successful. Special Ed can be a good recourse for failing students. I also question skipping grades because a child needs to be with their peers for social and emotional development. I like early screening and intervention to reduce the number of students who need significant help in the later grades.

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gavinf56

Jul-07-13 11:44 AM

Spike, I don't know anybody that thinks like that. Everybody I know thinks people are winners or losers based upon their actions rather than by how much money they earn or the possessions they hold.

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spike2

Jul-07-13 11:34 AM

FYI - I do not see "they" as racial in the context of responses to this LTE.The so-called "loser" group comes in every ethnicity.

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spike2

Jul-07-13 11:32 AM

Gysgt - I agree with you also for the most part. How much money does one need to be happy? I would say for most, a bit more than their parents. Most of us were raised by parents who want us to do better than they did. I think Tgrammiex4 is a good example. I think $40,000 may have gone further when they were purchasing a home and so forth. You had a great career and I can understand enjoying a simpler life, even if there is less money. Gavin, you don't know anyone who thinks like that? Aren't you part of the "just work more hours team"? There is a vast difference for a family with many professionals and those with none. Kids whose parents have degrees are far more likely to get a degree. Yes, some do, but educated parents generally have educated kids. Do you really think kids who get by in school, who have extremely poor parents really believe they can be anything they want. Just because we believe it doesn't mean they do. It is so easy for all of us to comment on what they s

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philunderwood

Jul-07-13 11:22 AM

David, if someone wasn’t keeping up with their grade level it used to mean they repeated that grade. Some, for whatever reason, just couldn’t keep up and were placed in a special ed program. I’m talking about when I was in school and I have no idea if those policies are still in place.

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DavidBross

Jul-07-13 10:33 AM

Asking what happens to losers is a good question. Dealing with those who don't make the grade is an issue that must be addressed in any discussion about policy. If that isn't done, then you will have a growing segment of the population that is ripe for someone to tell them that it is not their fault and use those "losers" to generate political power. On a related note, I remember calls for not promoting students to the next grade who don't master the skills of the grade they are in. Sounds good. But, are you prepared to handle those who aren't promoted? You will need more teachers, classrooms, and so on. It is easy to set standards if you don't feel you have to consider how to deal with those who don't meet the standards.

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VinceKnauff

Jul-07-13 10:23 AM

Racism/bigotry has ALWAYS been one o' the most-convenient tools, implemented by those folks too-damned-lazy to (actually) compete, for all Life has to offer.

Wow Shammy? Glad you finally came to understand the tricks and excuses Liberals use during every election. Liberals for decades have convinced their voters that racism and bigotry are the reasons they haven't succeeded in life and that it's not their fault that others are better off. So vote Democrat and we'll get revenge on those racists that are keeping you down! Except those voters never see their lives improve. And next election Democrats tell their voters the same story about racism being the reason they are poor and those voters fall for it again.

Glad to see you finally quit the Liberal Kool-Aid Shammy.

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Premier

Jul-07-13 9:52 AM

Some people here seem to agree with Reeders comments although time and time again he has stated that conservatives are Un-American and Un-Patriotic.

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Premier

Jul-07-13 9:49 AM

Sham the Liberal just labeled all "losers" as minorities! Gasp!

Sham the Liberal just said the "losers" use Racism/bigotry as convenient tools because their "lazy"! Double gasp!!

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-07-13 9:47 AM

Mr. Shaman, why is it you ALWAYS bring race into almost every conversation? No one had made any reference to that prior, I don't think anyone else here sees everything from a black/white view as you do.

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GoBB62

Jul-07-13 9:45 AM

"Racism/bigotry has ALWAYS been one o' the most-convenient tools, implemented by those folks too-damned-lazy to (actually) compete, for all Life has to offer." - sham

Especially for those afflicted with White Liberal Guilt syndrome

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MrShaman

Jul-07-13 9:33 AM

"The reality Stanley is 51% of the population doesn't know the difference between a winner and a real loser." - Bobbie2

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...Which would explain the new/resurrected emphasis on racism/bigotry; i.e. the more "losers" we can create (if minorities would simply learn to ACCEPT that status)...the MORE there is, for the "winners".

Racism/bigotry has ALWAYS been one o' the most-convenient tools, implemented by those folks too-damned-lazy to (actually) compete, for all Life has to offer.

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philunderwood

Jul-07-13 9:14 AM

I agree with Chuck and others. One shouldn’t be classed as a winner or loser by any material measurement. As Tgrammiex4 pointed out, it’s how you feel about yourself that makes all the difference. As a society we should help everyone have the opportunity to be a winner, but they’ll have to achieve it by making the correct choices along the way.

It’s a lousy letter this time Stan.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-07-13 8:55 AM

Mr. Reeder: The mere fact that people still consider judging people as 'winners' and 'losers' and not Americans and citizens of this country I find appalling.

Amen! You are spot on and I'm just proud and feel fortunate to be an American citizen! Money or no money.

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