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The fate of the losers

July 7, 2013

A conservative friend of mine is of the opinion that in life there are but two kinds of people: Winners and losers....

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-07-13 1:55 AM

"The president is working hard to implement the laws Congress enacts,"

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Defers portions of ObamaCare for a year because they didn't have a good implementation plans. Or could he be distracted with trying to get elected, fallout from Benghazi, poor unemployment, won't approve XL pipeline, ramping up EPA jurisdiction, getting rid of coal powerplants, IRS problems, NSA overreach, Syria/Lybia/Iran/Egypt distractions, etc.

Cheer a little louder so everyone is distracted with real performance.

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WKnapp

Jul-07-13 2:08 AM

"The president is working hard to implement the laws Congress enacts,"

Delays full impact of 'Obamacare' from Jan. 2014 to Jan. 2015 to reduce the impact of the fallout from such implementation on the mid-term election in 2014. There's going to be hard times once this monstrosity is fully unleashed on the general public!

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mikekerstetter

Jul-07-13 5:45 AM

Stan, it isn't Governments job to make winners out of losers. It's their job to make sure everyone has the same opportunity to try. We have in place programs to help people so they won't starve. I think we, as a society, out to make sure people have the basics of food, shelter and clothing if they are down on their luck.

There are many low-paying jobs out there that need filled and are critical to the running of our society. They are low-paying by necessity because no one could afford the service if those jobs paid more. I've long advocated a national health care system, modeled after an HMO that would cover everyone with health care and prescriptions from cradle to grave with a dedicated tax paid by workers and employers alike, just for that reason.

Other than that, I don't think it's Government's job to meddle in the social/economic status of it's citizens.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-07-13 6:29 AM

The more long term social programs are increased, the more chances generations of Americans will continue to be trapped in a continuous cycle of becoming more needy, dependent and poor, which does not help the individual, their family, the American public and certainly not the economy.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-07-13 6:45 AM

"Or would you want help to be available for people just like you who, for whatever reason, become losers?"

I have no problem with short term assistance in order to aid an individual or family to get back on their feet. However, I do not feel it's the federal governments role to provide financial assistance to it's citizens indefinitely. A child who refuses to leave the security blanket of their parents will have difficulty accepting basic life responsibilities. Families/individuals on long term government social programs can eventually acquire this same type of mentality. In my opinion, these long term programs keep losers, losers.

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CarlHiller

Jul-07-13 7:35 AM

"the Constitution, our Rules for the Game of Life," They are not the rules for the "Game of Life", they are the rules for government to stay out of our lives.

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VinceKnauff

Jul-07-13 7:37 AM

Life isn't fair, Stan. Life is what you yourself make of it. Every person has the opportunity to succeed. Some are better at it than others.

Stan's view of life in America is the reason we still have the problems of some people perpetually failing. Continuing to prop up otherwise able people just because they belong to some group only serves to keep that group unable to strive on their own.

The left needs these people dependent on government because they need their votes.

Democrats have succeeded at making their voters afraid to try to make it on their own.

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spike2

Jul-07-13 7:57 AM

I believe we now determine winners and losers by individual financial security.No one ever says the guy in the $50,000.00 house or $500 dollar a month apartment is a winner. The person who lost their home and finds himself homeless or in need of assistance is a loser. The family who simply isn't bringing in enough money to feed the 3 kids are losers. We determine worth or losers and winners by financial success. Nice reflection on the real state of our society on a Sunday morning. I am not suggesting a life of handouts except for the severely disabled or the elderly who simply have no resources. We are about to create a society of Kings and serfs. This country will then fail. Our Kings are the gluttons we remember from storybooks. Fat, whether by money, assets,and "success". Drunk on the power they hold over others. Yes, some folks worked hard and succeeded. How many more walked into family businesses, inheritances? It is a different world.

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gavinf56

Jul-07-13 8:04 AM

Honestly Spike, I don't know anyone who thinks like that.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-07-13 8:12 AM

Spike I agree with some of the points you make but money can not buy happiness and in a lot of cases the more you make the you spend and the more you want. When I retired from the military I was a defense contractor making close to six figures. I resigned that position and life style in order to move back home to help care for my elderly parents, now I'm living on a fraction of what I had. Was I any happier when I had the extra income? Absolutely not. Do I feel like I need government assistance even though by the guidelines I could get it? Absolute not. Life and your happiness in life should not be measured by how much money you make. Just like government assistance can lead to generations of dependence, so can wealth and entitlement lead to greed and the inability to appreciate what they have.

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-07-13 8:37 AM

My husband and I have never made over $50,000 a year combined.We've managed to raise 2 kids and do alot with and for 4 grandchildren, and now a great. Our home is modest but we have what we need.We drive a 10 yr. old van. We have never once looked for assistance from the gov't. and pay taxes every year. I've never felt like a loser.

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Premier

Jul-07-13 8:42 AM

Ah yes, the class warfare thing yet again. The sad fact is that there is always going to be "winners and losers", "have and have-nots", "rich and poor people"

There is nothing anyone can do that will change this fact but it still keeps being brought up.

Our countries taxpayers do a great job of supporting the less fortunate among us and they should be thankful for what they receive but that just does not happen. When a person who benefits from taxpayer subsidies never has to worry about making the rent, putting food on the table or paying for medical care I would say they are winners also.

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CMReeder

Jul-07-13 8:43 AM

I usually like what Stan writes however this letter misses the mark as far as I am concern. Quite a few of the comments fall way short also.

The mere fact that people still consider judging people as 'winners' and 'losers' and not Americans and citizens of this country I find appalling.

I find it appalling that a conservative friend of Stan' views Americans this way let alone that Stan wrote a letter base on this person's observations.

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-07-13 8:49 AM

Really, I think your opinion of yourself is more important than whatever anyone else thinks.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-07-13 8:55 AM

Mr. Reeder: The mere fact that people still consider judging people as 'winners' and 'losers' and not Americans and citizens of this country I find appalling.

Amen! You are spot on and I'm just proud and feel fortunate to be an American citizen! Money or no money.

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philunderwood

Jul-07-13 9:14 AM

I agree with Chuck and others. One shouldn’t be classed as a winner or loser by any material measurement. As Tgrammiex4 pointed out, it’s how you feel about yourself that makes all the difference. As a society we should help everyone have the opportunity to be a winner, but they’ll have to achieve it by making the correct choices along the way.

It’s a lousy letter this time Stan.

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MrShaman

Jul-07-13 9:33 AM

"The reality Stanley is 51% of the population doesn't know the difference between a winner and a real loser." - Bobbie2

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...Which would explain the new/resurrected emphasis on racism/bigotry; i.e. the more "losers" we can create (if minorities would simply learn to ACCEPT that status)...the MORE there is, for the "winners".

Racism/bigotry has ALWAYS been one o' the most-convenient tools, implemented by those folks too-damned-lazy to (actually) compete, for all Life has to offer.

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GoBB62

Jul-07-13 9:45 AM

"Racism/bigotry has ALWAYS been one o' the most-convenient tools, implemented by those folks too-damned-lazy to (actually) compete, for all Life has to offer." - sham

Especially for those afflicted with White Liberal Guilt syndrome

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-07-13 9:47 AM

Mr. Shaman, why is it you ALWAYS bring race into almost every conversation? No one had made any reference to that prior, I don't think anyone else here sees everything from a black/white view as you do.

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Premier

Jul-07-13 9:49 AM

Sham the Liberal just labeled all "losers" as minorities! Gasp!

Sham the Liberal just said the "losers" use Racism/bigotry as convenient tools because their "lazy"! Double gasp!!

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Premier

Jul-07-13 9:52 AM

Some people here seem to agree with Reeders comments although time and time again he has stated that conservatives are Un-American and Un-Patriotic.

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VinceKnauff

Jul-07-13 10:23 AM

Racism/bigotry has ALWAYS been one o' the most-convenient tools, implemented by those folks too-damned-lazy to (actually) compete, for all Life has to offer.

Wow Shammy? Glad you finally came to understand the tricks and excuses Liberals use during every election. Liberals for decades have convinced their voters that racism and bigotry are the reasons they haven't succeeded in life and that it's not their fault that others are better off. So vote Democrat and we'll get revenge on those racists that are keeping you down! Except those voters never see their lives improve. And next election Democrats tell their voters the same story about racism being the reason they are poor and those voters fall for it again.

Glad to see you finally quit the Liberal Kool-Aid Shammy.

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DavidBross

Jul-07-13 10:33 AM

Asking what happens to losers is a good question. Dealing with those who don't make the grade is an issue that must be addressed in any discussion about policy. If that isn't done, then you will have a growing segment of the population that is ripe for someone to tell them that it is not their fault and use those "losers" to generate political power. On a related note, I remember calls for not promoting students to the next grade who don't master the skills of the grade they are in. Sounds good. But, are you prepared to handle those who aren't promoted? You will need more teachers, classrooms, and so on. It is easy to set standards if you don't feel you have to consider how to deal with those who don't meet the standards.

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philunderwood

Jul-07-13 11:22 AM

David, if someone wasn’t keeping up with their grade level it used to mean they repeated that grade. Some, for whatever reason, just couldn’t keep up and were placed in a special ed program. I’m talking about when I was in school and I have no idea if those policies are still in place.

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spike2

Jul-07-13 11:32 AM

Gysgt - I agree with you also for the most part. How much money does one need to be happy? I would say for most, a bit more than their parents. Most of us were raised by parents who want us to do better than they did. I think Tgrammiex4 is a good example. I think $40,000 may have gone further when they were purchasing a home and so forth. You had a great career and I can understand enjoying a simpler life, even if there is less money. Gavin, you don't know anyone who thinks like that? Aren't you part of the "just work more hours team"? There is a vast difference for a family with many professionals and those with none. Kids whose parents have degrees are far more likely to get a degree. Yes, some do, but educated parents generally have educated kids. Do you really think kids who get by in school, who have extremely poor parents really believe they can be anything they want. Just because we believe it doesn't mean they do. It is so easy for all of us to comment on what they s

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