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Following God’s statutes

July 9, 2013

Our forefathers came to this continent in search of religious freedom also not be ruled by any other nation. Despite all the blood that has been shed, Revolution Wars, Indian Wars, Civil Wars....

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mikekerstetter

Jul-11-13 3:34 AM

jjs8282-""Freedom of religion" Isn't it funny if someone has a different religion or doesn't believe in anything are the first ones that "Christians" throw under the bus?"

Example?

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jjs8282

Jul-10-13 9:28 PM

"Freedom of religion" Isn't it funny if someone has a different religion or doesn't believe in anything are the first ones that "Christians" throw under the bus? I am not a Christian yet I accept everyone for who they are. I respect them and their opinions even though I may not agree. I raise my children to be respectful, accepting, and kind. Never will you hear them bully. They don't care about others religion, race and gender. As an American I have the right to "Freedom of religion". People need to be thankful to have that right not many do.

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CMReeder

Jul-10-13 8:31 PM

Like the non believers are not admonished by the believers.

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rmiller

Jul-10-13 3:35 PM

I am admonished as a believer, to pray for those in authority over me. We, as believers are supposed to do that. I admit that personally, it is difficult for me to do and I suspect, for other believers. Having said that, it is likely that our country's decline morally is due to the lack of morality in our leaders, but as believers we have stopped praying for our govt., hence the decline.

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rmiller

Jul-10-13 3:30 PM

The only (but most important decision in any persons' life) difference is that when I die (and we all do) I must stand in judgment. One doesn't have to believe that, or accept it..but that doesn't change it. It is the most risky action a person can take, but the will of an individual is there until the last breath. I will stand in the presence of God and the only thing I have to offer Him is Jesus Christ's righteousness, period. It is a joy to go through life now, with the reality of a life ready to die with no fear of judgment. My "reality" is that my "morality" regardless of how right it may or may not be is not my gain into an eternal life with heaven. You mentioned that "my faith will only get me so far." My "faith" gets me all the way. My faith is a living breathing God who has and will continue to be there through it all, including our govt. and leaders I disagree with (and that includes about all of them). cont.

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rmiller

Jul-10-13 3:21 PM

wwhickok,

Good afternoon. You know my stance regarding the Lord. He is not "religion", rather a real person. So, I understand your comment regarding reality versus morality, but let me propose to you that morality should be reality. Because of sin entering the world, through one person's actions, mankind has the curse of sin (or reality).

"We all have two elements to our lives."

So true: the sinful nature and the saved (redeemed nature) of God's righteousness, not ours. This is such a difficult philosophy, if you will, to pose to unbelievers. I am a sinner, we all are sinners. cont.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-10-13 1:06 PM

Correction *something they were ~NOT~ empowered to do"

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mikekerstetter

Jul-10-13 1:04 PM

Cont'd... Be that as it may, my answer was directed to Brownhornet who said, paraphrased, that freedom of religion had no role in the founding of our country.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-10-13 1:04 PM

wwhickok-"Mike, what you say is true. But what our country was founded on and how it exists today are two very different things."

True, it's different because we've gone from a Government of 'We The People' to a Government of "We The Supreme Court". The Supreme Court has ruled terribly in many issues and in some of those have, in effect, created Laws from the bench, something they were empowered to do. In a perverse change, they've gone from the weakest branch of Government to the most powerful, and we've allowed it to happen. They're now interfering in State Government affairs they have no business interfering in. In it's original form, Each state was sovereign to create it's own rules. You know, 'We The People' were allowed to decide how we wanted to live. No more, thanks to an out of control Judiciary Branch of the Federal Government.

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wwhickok

Jul-10-13 12:09 PM

Mike, what you say is true. But what our country was founded on and how it exists today are two very different things.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-10-13 9:37 AM

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Do you recognize either of those? The first is from the Declaration of Independence, the second is the 1st Amendment.

The DOI establishes that our founding fathers believed there was a Creator, that He created us, and He gave us Inalienable Rights.

The 1st Amendment does 2 things for Religion. The Free exercise clause says we are free to practice any religion we choose. The Establishment clause says the Government can't establish an official religion that everyone must practice.

Much history revolves around people who came here to get away from religious persecution. So clearly you are wrong about what our Country was founded upon.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-10-13 9:25 AM

Brownhornet-"Religious freedom had nothing to do with why our forefathers founded this Nation. They sought freedom from a tyrannical government plain and simple. Religion has nothing to do with our constitution either."

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —

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wwhickok

Jul-10-13 8:21 AM

RMiller, that's probably because people are stick stuck on the idea that everything in this country should be 'based on God'. Real life doesn't work that way.

We all have two elements to our lives.

The Moral Element/Factor The Reality

In the Moral side of things we find religion or the lack there of, good parenting or bad parenting, our actions, etc.

In the reality, we find government, how the real world works, the confines in which we're forced to live.

You can preach religion all you want, but IN REALITY, your Faith will only get you so far, at some point, you have to face the REAL troubles of the REAL world. I'm not criticizing or trying to devalue Christian Beliefs. I'm just saying there is more to life than just religion and you can't solely live by the "laws of religion", you have a society and a government to contend with.

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MrShaman

Jul-10-13 6:38 AM

"Our nation was given great generals to lead an armed forces. Our nation grew strong because we followed and worshipped, God and his statutes.

Beware, God is watching." - Clarence McHenry

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One of our greatest-authors had a "little-more" insight than you've (obviously) managed.

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See:

Mark Twain Speaks To Us: "I Am An Anti-Imperialist" - Common Dreams

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rmiller

Jul-09-13 11:26 PM

This letter is obviously written by someone who might be elderly and or even challenged in some capacity. The individual has thoughts, strong thoughts and concerns for our country. It may no be expressed in the manner many here obviously prefer, but it is expressed, nonetheless. I don't think ridicule is necessary. The point about God , period seems to bring out the best or worse in people. The responses here evident that.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-09-13 7:19 PM

Mr. Reeder: How will the REAL ID Act make it moot? About half the states are not willing to comply with it.

Actually that was my question? I wasn't stating it as fact because I don't really know and I know that it's a very controversial law.

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USABorn

Jul-09-13 6:00 PM

The missing word - p o r n

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USABorn

Jul-09-13 6:00 PM

MrShaman - 13 2:51 PM

"Seeing-as-how the T-Baggers (here) never share their sources/references, when making a point, I've gotta assume their "references" were received orally...from that fat pig, himself."

****, hate, ignorance and divisiveness....The center of Sham's poor pathetic life.

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USABorn

Jul-09-13 5:53 PM

MrShaman - 2:25 PM

"...Or, FAUX Noise's "backside". "

Backside? Sham, the backside is where you speak from all the time!!!! That's why your comments are ALWAYS so odious.

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USABorn

Jul-09-13 5:48 PM

MrShaman - 2:23 PM

"If this nation was founded by the atheists of today, there would be no religious freedom." - eriklatranyi

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That's what Porky Limbaugh says, huh?"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That's the best he can come up with Erik???????

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CMReeder

Jul-09-13 5:17 PM

GysgtUSMC. How will the REAL ID Act make it moot? About half the states are not willing to comply with it. Libertarian groups are against it. Another complaint is that the law doesn't make a national ID card only sets standards for all states to adhere to.

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MrShaman

Jul-09-13 4:31 PM

"And we have a winner!!! T-baggers, Faux Noise and Porky Limbaugh from Shammy for this LTE. Keep up the good work!!" - SteelerFan

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Not a PROB, Goober!

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SteelerFan

Jul-09-13 4:26 PM

And we have a winner!!! T-baggers, Faux Noise and Porky Limbaugh from Shammy for this LTE. Keep up the good work!!

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JoeSkep

Jul-09-13 2:57 PM

Hey old cry babies...Quit arguing about politics and "make believe" topics and start commenting on this ridiculous letter. Less religion, more reality.

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MrShaman

Jul-09-13 2:53 PM

"80-85% of the U.S. citizenry considers themselves Christians" - JohnZook

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...And....???

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