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Secondhand smoke

July 10, 2013

Wow, what a letter Mr. Steve Hunter. Almost exceeded the amount of words you can write. So you got a cough from smokers around you at wor....

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Garben78

Jul-12-13 9:07 AM

Man I'm so glad I live in the country with my closest neighbor over a half mile away and I can pee off my porch without hitting my neighbors house 2 feet away and yes it's all by choice I choose to live where I do

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Garben78

Jul-12-13 9:05 AM

Ps I don't smoke nor do I burn wood nor do I go sit beside the polluted Susquehanna river with a campfire going

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Garben78

Jul-12-13 9:03 AM

Yes exactly what we need more bans in stuff and more thing we can't enforce lol what a joke they ought to out right ban the wood stoves and natural gas and all the dirty coal fired power plants and cigarettes and maybe stupidity along with that

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 11:53 AM

I do not believe wood smoke in the winter, excuses the issue that is related to Cigarette Smoke, let me just make that clear.

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RogerMurdock

Jul-11-13 11:02 AM

garben78, your remark is what I would expect from a typical smoker's mentality. You don't have to be outside to be inhaling wood smoke. One wood burning furnace or OWB stinks up and pollutes an entire neighborhood. I'll keep your remark in mind this winter when I wake up in the middle of the night coughing and hacking like a 3 pack a day smoker and my house stinks so bad that I can't hardly stand to be in it. Keep in mind that the cleanest wood burning furnace emits at least 500 times more pollutants than a comparable gas furnace and the "King of Polluters", the OWB, puts out about 8,000 times that of a gas furnace. The sooner they are legislated out of existence the better for all of us.

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Garben78

Jul-11-13 10:49 AM

And I suppose since you don't have a campfire you'll die from west Nile or malaria from all the bugs now gathering huh

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Garben78

Jul-11-13 10:47 AM

Seriously you people are FUBAR wood smoke in the winter? Who sits outside inhaling wood smoke when it 20 degrees out? Perhaps some idiot like yourself. Far less worse then the concentration you inhale from a single cancer stick. I believe this LTE has ran it's course just as the elected ones talk and chat for weeks about passing legislation. The point has been taking from contrast

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 8:33 AM

Spike I agree. The way I understand the NYC law it prohibits smoking in Public Parks (I think this should be done here), Public Plaza's such as Time Square (this would be a more complex issue for Williamsport), and public beaches, which we do not have so that is irrelevant.

In the case of Public Plaza's, I think what they could do here, honestly, is restrict smoking in large crowds, as you suggested (4th of July festival) make designated smoking areas, and put, yes I'm aware this is an extra expenese, Cigarrette Disposal Canisters or whatever they're called periodically throughout downtown. Encourage people to dispose of cigarette's properly.

Listen, it's someone's right to smoke and I respect that, I'm not trying to take it away. All I'm asking, as someone who doesn't smoke, is don't throw your cigarettes all over the ground and don't blow your smoke in my face.

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spike2

Jul-11-13 8:15 AM

Here is the answer re: cigarette pack warnings. 4 warnings exist and all must be used in 3 month intervals within the year. They are as follows: SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy. SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health. SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking By Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, And Low Birth Weight. SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Cigarette Smoke Contains Carbon Monoxide.

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spike2

Jul-11-13 8:12 AM

Reeder, not sure about all brands but a few friends and myself checked packs yesterday. I'll see if I can find some research. wwhickok - i agreed with huddling in piblic places however when people are paying 4000-7000 in property taxes no one will be successful in telling them they can't smoke. Think how many cigarette police this would take. I agree as to restaurants, public pools, etc.. What are rights and property rights? Interesting concept. I think control of cigarettes and the purchase thereof will go the same way as Big Gulps if attempted. The first hurdle is that everyone who smokes does not get cancer, same as asbestos exposure and many other substances that are known carcinogens. Look at lung disease and coal mining.

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 7:38 AM

That's fair Roger.

First of all, before you even use a firepit in a residential area, you should be respectful of your neighbors and inquire with them as to whether it would bother them. I understand 'it's your property' but to me, that's just something that is a good example of being a good neighbor. Because you're right the concept is the same, if smoke is blowing into the screens or yards of others where they are and it is bothering them, you're taking away their freedom to not breath in the smoke from the wood burning.

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RogerMurdock

Jul-11-13 7:12 AM

wwickok, just to expand on your point about sitting around the campfire. When the fire is in one of the now popular "fire pits" in a residential back yard where the lots are only 25-50 ft wide, those sitting around the fire are free to move to avoid the smoke, however, those living in the area have no such choice. All they can do is suffer. I would like to see all burning of wood banned in residential areas.

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 6:21 AM

Roger, your point is fair.

As for the campfire, people really sit around and "breath in the smoke"? Seriously? Wtf is wrong with those people? I can't stand the smoke, when it turns my way, I move. Do i sit near a campfire at times, yes, but I don't directly inhale the smoke that's just stupid.

As for the cigarette smoke, I'd like to see a law passed in Williamsport that bans public smoking in the way that they did in NYC.

As for the winter time. I hear you Roger, again, like I said, it's a very fair point. People who pollute the air in the winter, can't really complain about gas trucks polluting the air in the Summer. Just sayin'.

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RogerMurdock

Jul-10-13 10:45 PM

Premier, I have made a number of comments in the past about wood burning appliances and the air quality in Williamsport. As far as I am concerned residential wood burning is a far more serious problem than tobacco, which is also a major concern of mine. When someone in your neighborhood burns wood in the winter time you're breathing the smoke day in and day out pretty much for the entire winter and respiratory problems are a certainty. One of my primary peeves is the anti gas crowd complaining about the gas trucks and the air pollution they create while they themselves have their wood burning furnaces and OWBs pouring pollutants by the ton into the residential air. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Williamsport is not a healthy place to be living in the wintertime.

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RollingWithHusky

Jul-10-13 10:11 PM

Premier, after your initial comment about wood fires and camp fires, I did a little research. What I read says that burning wood has "some" of the same content as cigarette smoke, but they are not the same, wood smoke does have more particulates than cigarette smoke, this accounts for it having a longer effect on the body after being inhaled than cigarette smoke.

I can't answer for anyone else, but for me, the only time I ever sat near a campfire was prior to the onset of my migraines and asthma. I have a fireplace in my home, but the smoke doesn't come into the house, I don't notice an effect from that.

When cigarette smoke was identified as a trigger for my migraines I was told it had to do with the nicotine and tar content, the chemical additives, in the cigarette smoke. What CMReeder said about the additives was how it was explained to me as to why it caused the headaches.

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Premier

Jul-10-13 8:45 PM

Why does smoke from a campfire or grill stay in and affect the body up to forty time longer? I'd say that's worst than cigarette smoke.

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CMReeder

Jul-10-13 8:40 PM

Different types of wood will produce different smoke and fire consumption.

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CMReeder

Jul-10-13 8:38 PM

I did not say it was good, I said it is different. They are not same. Cigarettes has additives, chemical ones. Campfire is not the same as a house fire or a forest fire.

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Premier

Jul-10-13 7:16 PM

Mr. Reeder please explain the differences. Is there a good smoke?

Are people bothered by smoke from stuff cooked on a grill? We all know charred meat is no good for us and anything from a grill contains the same.

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CMReeder

Jul-10-13 6:10 PM

Smoke from burning wood is different than from cigarettes.

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CMReeder

Jul-10-13 6:07 PM

Spike2 they place several different warnings on cigarettes at least they were when I smoked.

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Premier

Jul-10-13 5:16 PM

Smoking is bad enough but I've never heard anyone talking about the toxins and smells from burning wood. Either for heat or from a campfire wood burning is 40 time more harmful that cigarette smoke.

My sister in-law hates cigarette smoke with a passion and her son has asthma but both will sit around a campfire with smoke bellowing in their faces like everything is fine.

Is it selective?

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RollingWithHusky

Jul-10-13 12:57 PM

I am allergic to cigarette smoke. I also have asthma. You don't have to be smoking next to me, if it's on your clothes, your hair, in your car, etc. and I'm within your environment. Cigarette smoke has been identified as a trigger for the severe migraines that I suffer with.

Going into public places and having to navigate through clouds of smoke because employees and patrons are hanging out around or in doorways always results in painful symptoms for me. As a wheelchair user I often don't have an alternate route or entrance to use to avoid the smoke.

There's a gentleman in my neighborhood that sits on his porch to smoke and flicks his butts out into the street. There are dozens in the street on any given day.

It appears to be a carelessness, lack of consideration for others, on the part of most smokers. That they deny their habit impacts others is disheartening. I can't imagine knowingly doing anything that could hurt or cause discomfort to others. It's hard to understand.

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ScienceIsKing

Jul-10-13 12:02 PM

Shihan,

"Enjoy your unhealthy lifestyle and we'll read about you in the gatehouse someday gasping for air."

Don't get ahead of yourself. Just because you think you are healthy, that means nothing. I have seen people do everything right and died from some form of cancer. I have seen people do everything wrong (smoking and drinking heavily) and are well into their 60s and still going strong. Be careful what you say, because I'm sure you would take it much harder if you were gasping for your last breath knowing that you were healthy than a smoker that can only blame themselves. Stay humble.

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wwhickok

Jul-10-13 11:12 AM

Spike it is in no way shape or form my responsibility to support someone elses' addiction even if by purchasing them an electric cigareete. It is true Cancer stems from all kinds of things, one of them being cigarettes. My point is, those of us choosing NOT to smoke should not have to be 'detoured' because of those who do. "Smoking Areas" should be 100% secluded from all other walking areas/paths as to not disturb/deter the free air of non-smokers. Yes, I'm dead serious. You want to spend $7 on a pack of cigarettes thats your choice, but that $7 doesn't give you the right to pollute "my share of the air".

As for the whole perfume/cologne bit, yes that can affect the sinuses. Sinuses isn't what we're talking about, we're talking about cancer sticks. But for the record, I rarely wear cologne.

In NYC it's illegal to even smoke in public parks, beaches, and plazas. Here's to hoping that one day, that becomes a nation wide occurance.

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