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Secondhand smoke

July 10, 2013

Wow, what a letter Mr. Steve Hunter. Almost exceeded the amount of words you can write. So you got a cough from smokers around you at wor....

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-10-13 6:14 AM

"I passed him"

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I thought that you were always complaining about people speeding through your neighborhood!

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-10-13 6:18 AM

So you moved from South Williamsport to Williamsport. Are the pot holes as bad; maybe you can give us a report.

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CaveFelem

Jul-10-13 6:55 AM

"So if you're outside, that's your own fault."

Typical. No, you can't smoke inside, but you shouldn't be huddled around doorways where people go in and out, either. Have some consideration for other people who don't want to stink like an old ashtray. And when you come in from one of your 15 smoke breaks per day, don't walk into my office with a cloud of smoke hanging on you, stand next to me, and start a conversation. Air yourself out first.

And while you might not throw your butts on the ground, many others do, and it's littering just as if you'd throw a soda cup instead.

Oh, and to top it off, don't complain about "scents". I work with a woman who reeks of cigarette smoke. It's permeated her office, even though she doesn't smoke in it. Yet she complains if someone uses scented hand cream, stating the scent bothers her sinuses. No, it's the 100's of chemicals you're sucking in and out of your lungs/nose that bother your sinuses.

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Shihan

Jul-10-13 7:14 AM

Your letter sounds as if you are part of Many problems that I could write about Donna. I chose one subject to help others. It also sounds as if you want me to call you first to see what article to write that day. PLEASE re-read the article and ask yourself how I offended you. If you aren't doing anything that offends others who don't smoke, then why are you so angry about it. Enjoy your unhealthy lifestyle and we'll read about you in the gatehouse someday gasping for air.

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wwhickok

Jul-10-13 8:07 AM

First of all Donna, drinking and driving and smoking are two completely different issues, it's apples and oranges.

Secondly, you may not throw your cigarettes on the ground but too many others do. I'm a non smoker and I get real sick and tired of seeing Cigarette buts littered all over the ground. You're right, as far as the smoke, we have the ability to not be near you.

Also, I work in a place where there are A LOT of Smokers, they huddle in a couple of spots, where pedestrians travel through quite frequently. We shouldn't have to "detour" as though we're on a highway under construction because you want to smoke your cigarettes. You're allowed to live your life, we should be allowed to live ours and walk where we want to, not where you force us to have to.

Smoking is a disgusting habit imo, it makes your clothes smell disgusting, frankly I can't really stand being all that close to chain smokers. Oh and on top of that, it kills you (causes cancer), but again, it's

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wwhickok

Jul-10-13 8:11 AM

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life. It's typical, I know more smokers who complain about what other people do than I know of nonsmokers, coincidence perhaps, but no less true.

This letter is typical. "I'm not part of the problem...I'm not part of the solution..I just am." "I blame anyone else."

Give me a break. Nonsmokers complaining about smokers and second hand smoke is completely valid. WE DON'T WANT YOUR CANCER! It's hard enough to live a life that doesn't result in cancer as it is, we don't need you helping us to contract it. Pull your selfish head out of your backside.

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CMReeder

Jul-10-13 9:05 AM

I'm a former smoker who quit after my family witness my brother's passing from lung cancer.

Ms. lambert objected to somone writing a letter suggesting she quit or that her smoking is offensive then proceeds to tell us that drinking is the one people whould be concerned with not smoking.

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garder54

Jul-10-13 9:28 AM

If ignorance is bliss, this author must be living in blissful peace.

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wwhickok

Jul-10-13 9:58 AM

And you're right Reeder, It's not my place to tell someone they're not permitted to smoke or drink. It's their life, but you are also right, criticizing someone for drinking when you smoke, despite the issues being apples to oranges in severity is very hypocritical. It's not our place to force our 'anti-smoking/drinking' on you anymore than it's your place to force your 'pro-smoking/drinking' on yes.

Yes, I do drink, no I do not drink and drive. No I don't smoke, yes I do associate with people who do. You make the choice to smoke/drink or not to. That doesn't mean those of us who choose not to, want the forced risk of your disease.

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spike2

Jul-10-13 10:05 AM

Seriously. This is a choice. More people die from obesity than smoke. The warning on cigarettes is : SURGEON GENERAL's WARNING: Smoking By Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, And Low Birth Weight. Anybody know what happened to the cancer warning or why? I don't. I agree the smell on clothes and in confines areas is bad. So is cologne and perfume. Can sinuses be affected? Ask your Doc. In fairness we do live in sinus, pollen and allergy valley. You don't have to be a smoker. I know people who had cancer and were smokers and others who were never smokers. Genetics has a lot to do with cancer susceptibility. Suggest your co-worker try an e-cigarette. Be nice, by them one. No smoke no chemicals and they can fulfill their tobacco need.

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Garben78

Jul-10-13 10:50 AM

One thing the writer of the LTE forgot to do is apologize as it was her generation and ones before it who have already poisoned Mother Earth and now we are left to clean up their pollutants and also when she's laying in the er getting free healthcare I want her to thank all of those who are paying her to get better from rotten lungs and tongues and throats etc and ps over 430,000 a year die from smoke and over 11,000 from drunk driving although both numbers are disgusting they hardly compare those who choose to light up should be slapped with a tax for clean air like all the power plants etc

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wwhickok

Jul-10-13 11:12 AM

Spike it is in no way shape or form my responsibility to support someone elses' addiction even if by purchasing them an electric cigareete. It is true Cancer stems from all kinds of things, one of them being cigarettes. My point is, those of us choosing NOT to smoke should not have to be 'detoured' because of those who do. "Smoking Areas" should be 100% secluded from all other walking areas/paths as to not disturb/deter the free air of non-smokers. Yes, I'm dead serious. You want to spend $7 on a pack of cigarettes thats your choice, but that $7 doesn't give you the right to pollute "my share of the air".

As for the whole perfume/cologne bit, yes that can affect the sinuses. Sinuses isn't what we're talking about, we're talking about cancer sticks. But for the record, I rarely wear cologne.

In NYC it's illegal to even smoke in public parks, beaches, and plazas. Here's to hoping that one day, that becomes a nation wide occurance.

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ScienceIsKing

Jul-10-13 12:02 PM

Shihan,

"Enjoy your unhealthy lifestyle and we'll read about you in the gatehouse someday gasping for air."

Don't get ahead of yourself. Just because you think you are healthy, that means nothing. I have seen people do everything right and died from some form of cancer. I have seen people do everything wrong (smoking and drinking heavily) and are well into their 60s and still going strong. Be careful what you say, because I'm sure you would take it much harder if you were gasping for your last breath knowing that you were healthy than a smoker that can only blame themselves. Stay humble.

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RollingWithHusky

Jul-10-13 12:57 PM

I am allergic to cigarette smoke. I also have asthma. You don't have to be smoking next to me, if it's on your clothes, your hair, in your car, etc. and I'm within your environment. Cigarette smoke has been identified as a trigger for the severe migraines that I suffer with.

Going into public places and having to navigate through clouds of smoke because employees and patrons are hanging out around or in doorways always results in painful symptoms for me. As a wheelchair user I often don't have an alternate route or entrance to use to avoid the smoke.

There's a gentleman in my neighborhood that sits on his porch to smoke and flicks his butts out into the street. There are dozens in the street on any given day.

It appears to be a carelessness, lack of consideration for others, on the part of most smokers. That they deny their habit impacts others is disheartening. I can't imagine knowingly doing anything that could hurt or cause discomfort to others. It's hard to understand.

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Premier

Jul-10-13 5:16 PM

Smoking is bad enough but I've never heard anyone talking about the toxins and smells from burning wood. Either for heat or from a campfire wood burning is 40 time more harmful that cigarette smoke.

My sister in-law hates cigarette smoke with a passion and her son has asthma but both will sit around a campfire with smoke bellowing in their faces like everything is fine.

Is it selective?

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CMReeder

Jul-10-13 6:07 PM

Spike2 they place several different warnings on cigarettes at least they were when I smoked.

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CMReeder

Jul-10-13 6:10 PM

Smoke from burning wood is different than from cigarettes.

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Premier

Jul-10-13 7:16 PM

Mr. Reeder please explain the differences. Is there a good smoke?

Are people bothered by smoke from stuff cooked on a grill? We all know charred meat is no good for us and anything from a grill contains the same.

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CMReeder

Jul-10-13 8:38 PM

I did not say it was good, I said it is different. They are not same. Cigarettes has additives, chemical ones. Campfire is not the same as a house fire or a forest fire.

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CMReeder

Jul-10-13 8:40 PM

Different types of wood will produce different smoke and fire consumption.

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Premier

Jul-10-13 8:45 PM

Why does smoke from a campfire or grill stay in and affect the body up to forty time longer? I'd say that's worst than cigarette smoke.

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RollingWithHusky

Jul-10-13 10:11 PM

Premier, after your initial comment about wood fires and camp fires, I did a little research. What I read says that burning wood has "some" of the same content as cigarette smoke, but they are not the same, wood smoke does have more particulates than cigarette smoke, this accounts for it having a longer effect on the body after being inhaled than cigarette smoke.

I can't answer for anyone else, but for me, the only time I ever sat near a campfire was prior to the onset of my migraines and asthma. I have a fireplace in my home, but the smoke doesn't come into the house, I don't notice an effect from that.

When cigarette smoke was identified as a trigger for my migraines I was told it had to do with the nicotine and tar content, the chemical additives, in the cigarette smoke. What CMReeder said about the additives was how it was explained to me as to why it caused the headaches.

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RogerMurdock

Jul-10-13 10:45 PM

Premier, I have made a number of comments in the past about wood burning appliances and the air quality in Williamsport. As far as I am concerned residential wood burning is a far more serious problem than tobacco, which is also a major concern of mine. When someone in your neighborhood burns wood in the winter time you're breathing the smoke day in and day out pretty much for the entire winter and respiratory problems are a certainty. One of my primary peeves is the anti gas crowd complaining about the gas trucks and the air pollution they create while they themselves have their wood burning furnaces and OWBs pouring pollutants by the ton into the residential air. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Williamsport is not a healthy place to be living in the wintertime.

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 6:21 AM

Roger, your point is fair.

As for the campfire, people really sit around and "breath in the smoke"? Seriously? Wtf is wrong with those people? I can't stand the smoke, when it turns my way, I move. Do i sit near a campfire at times, yes, but I don't directly inhale the smoke that's just stupid.

As for the cigarette smoke, I'd like to see a law passed in Williamsport that bans public smoking in the way that they did in NYC.

As for the winter time. I hear you Roger, again, like I said, it's a very fair point. People who pollute the air in the winter, can't really complain about gas trucks polluting the air in the Summer. Just sayin'.

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RogerMurdock

Jul-11-13 7:12 AM

wwickok, just to expand on your point about sitting around the campfire. When the fire is in one of the now popular "fire pits" in a residential back yard where the lots are only 25-50 ft wide, those sitting around the fire are free to move to avoid the smoke, however, those living in the area have no such choice. All they can do is suffer. I would like to see all burning of wood banned in residential areas.

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