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July 11, 2013

Fireworks fantastic! Meanwhile, the Memorial Park Pool next to the historic Bowman Field needs repaired for our local youths. Elmira Street shootings are an example of anger....

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Premier

Jul-11-13 4:37 AM

I could be wrong but I think the fireworks display is paid for by donations from local businesses.

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-11-13 4:40 AM

The pool isn't a money maker.Money drives everything in Williamsport.If parents want the pool up and running, donate$$ or time to make the repairs and maintain & staff it. Don't depend on the City to pay for everything.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-11-13 4:42 AM

"Take my pool, nets, now with gas workers taking their homes"

It almost sounds like a lyric to a country music song. Mr. Kelley. While it is unfortunate that the pool was closed and the city isn't willing to commit the money to repair it; and even though it may have been an unwise decision to take the basketball hoops down temporarily, it doesn't give anyone an excuse to shoot up a neighborhood. Violence in this city has been going on long before the pool was closed, the hoops were removed and the gas industry was here.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-11-13 4:49 AM

Oh and I spoke with one of the emergency responders who I just happen to be related to, he stated that stupidity was one of the causes of the incident; the one "victim" shot HIMSELF in the leg while attempting to put the gun in his pocket. I don't think the pool was an aggravating factor there. Let's stop making excuses for violence and stupidity.

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 6:27 AM

Grammie, the pool being a money maker, is probably one of the smaller reasons that it was shut down, though I could be wrong.

Look at Loyalsock Pool. We just had the displeasure of reading an article that basically said the lifeguards and kids feared for their lives because of the young adults venturing into that pool. They've already shut down Brandon Park (money issues, it was free to get in), Memorial Park (money issues & violence perhaps?), and now, I have no doubt, Loyalsock Pool will be next.

They are hiring a Security Guard which I have no doubt will be armed. How long will it be before they start losing money on that pool if they aren't already?

The Hoodlums in this area are what is getting everything shut down.

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 6:29 AM

To be clear, I'm not suggesting the Pool is the stemming cause for any violence, but more so, where this violence is taking place. Coincidence perhaps because violence has spread to every inch of this County.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-11-13 6:55 AM

To me the answer is simple. You have a zero tolerance policy. Once the security guard is in place you enforce the policy and ban these troublemakers from returning to the pool. Cut out the infection and the problem is gone. I would be happy to take the job to secure that pool.

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CMReeder

Jul-11-13 7:20 AM

The display maybe paid by local businesses but the rest of it isn't. The clean up. The security. The barriers.

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CMReeder

Jul-11-13 7:21 AM

It is the lack of a pool, nets and other community activities that the writer cites for the cause of violence.

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michaelpaternostro

Jul-11-13 7:33 AM

gysgt- go ahead and take the job, you may get yourself shot, or beaten up by the thugs or maybe they will find out where you live? You may have been a gunny and i know that as a marine you are always a marine, but you are not invincible, dont mix yourself up with the trash you are obviously a man of good character, why waste it there, let the township solve its own problems.The trash we are talking about isnt worth it.The problem wont be gone when the infection is cut, it will just move somewhere else.

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 7:42 AM

Well I think the lack of a pool, nets, and other activities being an excuse for the violence is a crock of Elephant Dung. That's a sorry excuse for violence. People are violent for a number of reasons, bad parenting, lack of respect for others, because they're ignorant, or addicts, but because of the lack of pool, nets, or activities, is not a valid excuse. It doesn't give you the right to shoot someone or threaten their lives.

Reeder, STOP JUSTIFYING THESE PEOPLE Because that's exactly what you're doing.

As for the 4th of July. I don't have a problem with it, it's been a tradition for a very long time. I've seen so many things taken away that were fond memories, the little league ball field in Memorial Park, the Pools, etc, I don't want to keep seeing things taken away. I enjoy the fireworks, albeit they're not as good as they used to be.

But none of that is an excuse for the violence.

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 7:44 AM

Michael, I'm not a military man and I'd take the job. I am currently employed as a Security Guard. I refuse to sit down in the face of these thugs and let them take over our city and our county. They need to be shown that they do not control Williamsport. I for one, am willing to stand up to them. Even if it requires a License to Carry.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-11-13 7:48 AM

"It is the lack of a pool, nets and other community activities that the writer cites for the cause of violence."

Mr. Reeder I still don't think that is any excuse for violence? What about people that live in rural areas or towns that don't even have a pool? Do they get a pass to be violent?

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spike2

Jul-11-13 7:51 AM

Gysgt - you are perfect for the job. Having unruly, disrespectful kids is a bit different than armed. Simply install a metal detector, hire Gysgt in the summer and do a residency requirement. Loyalsock Twp. pays for the Loyalsock pool.Paternostro I doubt his house will be shot up over a pool admission. i agree anything is possible. you refer to the "trash" in online comments. Kids today have police scanners on their phones, know how to Google map and search addresses. I said before that those who use their real names, discuss weapons they may own, etc. are fools.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-11-13 7:58 AM

Michael, I am not the least bit scared of these thugs, I've had to deal with thugs in the past. I'm not going to cower down and let them take over. They feed off that and it gives them power. Children attend these pools and they deserve to be protected. It's time for people to start taking their neighborhoods back and it is possible with proper organization and participation.

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michaelpaternostro

Jul-11-13 8:07 AM

spike, i have never discussed any weapons i may or may not own. If i was going to say things inappropriate i wouldnt use my own name. I don't mince words though. I am Sorry if i have offended anyone with the characterization of "trash". What do you prefer to call it ?

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eriklatranyi

Jul-11-13 8:16 AM

Liberals see criminals and ask honest citizens to "bribe" them with pools and midnight basketball.

Liberals see illegal aliens and ask honest citizens to "forgive" their crimes and given them all the perks of citizenship even though they have not earned it.

Liberals see convicted felons and lobby to restore their voting priviliges.

Liberals see an armed citizen defend himself and spend taxpayer money to create a racial crisis where none existed (Sanford, FL).

Liberalism - protectors of criminals.

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idiottwo

Jul-11-13 8:46 AM

"what do we expect?" I don't expect its fair to expect shotting because of a lost ball field or swimming pool, but if that is what you expect, you will see more. Maybe the shootings would be less with more true parenting, less excuses and active neighbors. You might include jobs too.

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FormerEastEnder

Jul-11-13 8:51 AM

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Loyalsock pool a pool OUTSIDE the city of Williamsport? Why is it even included in the conversation?.. I've said it once before.. do away with "Williamsport - A proud past and promising future" and put up the REAL slogan - "Williamsport - a great place to grow up but you wouldn't want to live here"

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MrShaman

Jul-11-13 8:56 AM

"To me the answer is simple. You have a zero tolerance policy. Once the security guard is in place you enforce the policy and ban these troublemakers from returning to the pool. Cut out the infection and the problem is gone. I would be happy to take the job to secure that pool." - GysgtUSMC

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Yeah...those "band-aid" options (like security-guards) COULD look like something's actually being done! (...But, I don't think we need our OWN "George Zimmerman"...as attractive as that might sound, to you.)

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MrShaman

Jul-11-13 9:03 AM

"Well I think the lack of a pool, nets, and other activities being an excuse for the violence is a crock of Elephant Dung. That's a sorry excuse for violence. People are violent for a number of reasons, bad parenting, lack of respect for others, because they're ignorant, or addicts, but because of the lack of pool, nets, or activities, is not a valid excuse." - wwhickok

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...And, this opinion is a result of YOUR (own) personal-experiences...or, merely, assumptions on your part?

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MrShaman

Jul-11-13 9:07 AM

"Michael, I'm not a military man and I'd take the job. I am currently employed as a Security Guard. I refuse to sit down in the face of these thugs and let them take over our city and our county. They need to be shown that they do not control Williamsport. I for one, am willing to stand up to them. Even if it requires a License to Carry." - wwhickok

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Aw, jeez...another "George Zimmerman"-wannabe!

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 9:07 AM

FEE, the only reason I brought up Loyalsock Pool was suggest that perhaps money wasn't the only reason that Memorial Park had been shut down in that regard, the violence at Memorial Park has been there for a while and is now escalating, it has been for some time.

Idiottwo, spot on.

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 9:11 AM

First of all moron I did't say I'd shoot someone, my point was that I'm not afraid to defend myself or my family.

My point was, unlike you Sham, I'm not going to hide in a corner like a coward, whine and moan about the problems, site a bunch of phony articles, and do nothing to create change.

I'm not afraid to defend the city I grew up in. Also, the way things are sounding, George Zimmerman wasn't in the wrong. So you might wanna stop using it as an insult.

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MrShaman

Jul-11-13 9:11 AM

"Mr. Reeder I still don't think that is any excuse for violence? What about people that live in rural areas or towns that don't even have a pool? Do they get a pass to be violent?" - GysgtUSMC

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Not until they're old-enough to drink, legally, and can gain entry to local drinking-establishments...where pool-sticks are readily-available.

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