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So children are the future?

July 11, 2013

I don't really see a how humanity can survive if reason never has it's day. So I'm assuming this is close to the end not that of the rapture but that of succumbing to the ignorant that believe in i....

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Yoxtheimer

Jul-16-13 7:33 PM

I was baptized Lutheran an exposed to religion at a young age. I saw even then how hive mindedness is dangerous. All religions at one point were the result of someone pulling it out of their ass!

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wwhickok

Jul-12-13 8:05 AM

So that's somewhat revealing Sham, you have 3 kids.

44, 43, & 41 years of age. You are or were in what sounds like a bad marriage. You had a bad childhood, you worked as a mechanical-designer, you might very well be a sociopath, you spend the majority of your time trying to convince yourself that you're smart, and you may very well be a racist. Did I miss anything?

The only thing I don't know at this point is your name lol.

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CMReeder

Jul-11-13 7:59 PM

Oh no they are attacking us because we believe. Unlike the attacks you make on atheists.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-11-13 4:57 PM

Some atheists think themselves as so intellectually superior to everyone else that it reveals the weakness of their non-belief.

Every religion has insecure members who try and convince the world how smart they are because they chose Christianity over Hindu.

Atheists are even more insecure, so they write letters and attack those who believe as intellectually inferior.

They falsely link intelligence to belief. Just as liberals see themselves as intellectually superior.

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enigma

Jul-11-13 4:35 PM

Yox,"I'm just one of the kids who questioned the existence of the monster & now it doesn't."

Questioning the existence of the 'monster' does not cause it to cease existing, and if the 'monster' does exist and you convince people that it doesn't, then you have put them in even greater danger. Disbelief in God is your right, but don't pretend that it is somehow intellectually superior to belief; it is not. Some of the most brilliant people on earth are Christians, some are Muslim, and some are Atheists. I do not judge the intelligence of a person by what they believe, but on how they arrived at that belief. So far, you have given no reason for what you believe, just ridicule for those who disagree.

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Yoxtheimer

Jul-11-13 3:00 PM

It was simply a statement establishing that critical thinking often prevails over just accepting what's presented before for you. If a child is told a giant monster is going to show up at some predetermined date and destroy everyone who doesn't believe in a particular religion how is that not simply coercion!? I'm just one of the kids who questioned the existence of the monster & now it doesn't.

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MrShaman

Jul-11-13 1:46 PM

"Don't be confused, I'm not talking about issues that deal with child abuse or worse, I'm simply talking about smartly raising a child and educating them." - wwhickok

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Just remember to cross-your-fingers, afterwards...'cause that's all you've got!

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MrShaman

Jul-11-13 1:43 PM

They hardly needed starting-out with a handicap.

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MrShaman

Jul-11-13 1:42 PM

Sham, do yourself a favor and tread carefully when speaking about my son or the way I raise him.

It's going to be too late? First of all, in YOUR opinion they are fairy tales and you're entitled to your opinion.

Furthermore, do you have kids? I hope so, because I really hope you're not offering up an opinion on what a child would or would not understand without actual knowledge of the complexity of raising and teaching a child.

When I say "old enough to understand" I'm simply meaning when he fully grasps complex concepts. I don't know of many 1 year olds that do that. Just sayin'." - wwhickok

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Well...you never mentioned how old he was. I've know parents who'd assumed it was time to start disciplining their children...'cause their children had reached 10-11 years-of-age.

I have 3 "children": 44, 43 and 41 years old.

Their Mother thought they needed Catholic-baptism (her religion), after which...NO religious-training was wasted on them. They hardly neede

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 1:38 PM

Reeder, I do think it's ignorant. But if you feel compelled to ask such a question, by all means, go for it. I don't believe that I'll be alive when the world finally comes to an end. But the Gas Industry is doing their best to prove me wrong.

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CMReeder

Jul-11-13 12:23 PM

"Enigma I'm starting to think Sham wrote this letter."

Actually it is Daniel S. Yoxtheimer. Unless of course you know that Yoxtheimer posts here as MrShaman. But then you have people who are convince it is John Hilfirty. Maybe John is writing and sending letters as Daniel.

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CMReeder

Jul-11-13 12:18 PM

"Well, I for one, don't think the end is near, that doesn't make your question invalid, you'd have to ask the author of this letter."

Well you said he was ignorant for even suggesting it.

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WKnapp

Jul-11-13 11:16 AM

"It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace – but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

The words of Patrick Henry. Kind of similar to Joshua's words, don't you think?

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WKnapp

Jul-11-13 11:14 AM

Jos 24:15 "And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."

Words of Joshua, son of Nun. No force, no coercion, no threats, just personal choice. None of us knows when our life will end, any more than we know when life in general will end, or by what means for either. I'm not into trying to force anybody to believe what I believe, but I do find it necessary to inform others of what I know to be true. If they believe me, fine. If not, that's OK, too. It becomes their problem, I did my duty.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-11-13 9:53 AM

Isn't it ironic that after making this statement, he uses absolutely no reason in the letter, only blind hatred for those he disagrees with. The saddest part is that he will never understand that he is the problem.

Enigma I'm starting to think Sham wrote this letter.

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 9:37 AM

Well, I for one, don't think the end is near, that doesn't make your question invalid, you'd have to ask the author of this letter.

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CMReeder

Jul-11-13 9:34 AM

So Wes how do children have a future if one thinks that mankinds end is near?

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CMReeder

Jul-11-13 9:33 AM

Yeah Erik you really care about kids.

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 9:25 AM

In hoping that you mean what I believe you to mean, I agree with you enigma (Haven't seen you post in awhile), I believe individuals who aren't willing to accept that others don't necessarily share your beliefs and allowing that to be okay, are the problem.

I think there's too much of the whole "you must believe in this" or "you shouldn't believe in that". Everyone should be free to believe what they want or don't want to.

We as individuals don't have to share those beliefs, but imo, we should respect them, at least respect that others have them.

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enigma

Jul-11-13 9:07 AM

"I don't really see a how humanity can survive if reason never has it's day."

Isn't it ironic that after making this statement, he uses absolutely no reason in the letter, only blind hatred for those he disagrees with. The saddest part is that he will never understand that he is the problem.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-11-13 8:41 AM

Liberals see themselves as the only ones who care about children.

If it were not for liberals, conservatives would put their children in coal mines and labor camps.

But while liberals talk so highly of our children, they have no concern that they are spending our children into poverty.

Today's gov't programs benefit people today. The children, who are being asked to pay for this party, see no benefit from today's spending.

In fact, we are consigning them to a lower standard of living because the children will be obligated to spend even more in the future, resulting in less money for themselves.

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 8:28 AM

Oh I'm not scared, he can chastise me all he wants. Unless you're educated in Education of children or have one, you can't really speak factually on the complexity of raising a child. Don't be confused, I'm not talking about issues that deal with child abuse or worse, I'm simply talking about smartly raising a child and educating them.

If Sham takes exception to the fact I don't want him influencing and/or raising my kids, that's his problem. I'll raise my son the way I feel best and my wife feels best. It's up to us to provide positive influence. Just because I am not as faithful as I once was, doesn't mean I should deny him the opportunity to follow that path if he chooses, but Religion is a complex issue. You can't explain it to a small child who is still learning to understand much simpler discussion. Get a clue Sham.

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spike2

Jul-11-13 8:01 AM

Josh can you cite article re: Big Band somehow. I know M.I.T and Stanford are still committed to this project as well as all the foreign scientists. I f these are not the top 30 scientists in this field i would like to know who are and their credentials. regarding the rest of the letter, I agree with whickok and Gysgt. I never believed my kids were required to believe anything I believe or disbelieve. They have proven capable to decide for themselves.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-11-13 7:41 AM

"Furthermore, do you have kids? I hope so, because I really hope you're not offering up an opinion on what a child would or would not understand without actual knowledge of the complexity of raising and teaching a child."

Careful wwhickok, I got chastised on here when I made a similar comment.

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wwhickok

Jul-11-13 7:35 AM

Sham, do yourself a favor and tread carefully when speaking about my son or the way I raise him.

It's going to be too late? First of all, in YOUR opinion they are fairy tales and you're entitled to your opinion.

Furthermore, do you have kids? I hope so, because I really hope you're not offering up an opinion on what a child would or would not understand without actual knowledge of the complexity of raising and teaching a child.

When I say "old enough to understand" I'm simply meaning when he fully grasps complex concepts. I don't know of many 1 year olds that do that. Just sayin'.

@ Reeder, do I care what other people think? Sure, I do care, as in interested. Do I care as in, to call someone ignorant because they believe in religion? No. Not at all.

Big difference there.

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