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July 13, 2013

Landlords pay a large portion of the taxes, yet, because we do not live in the city, we have no say in how our taxes are spent. We can‘t vote or be on committees....

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spike2

Jul-15-13 9:42 AM

A buiding without water is unfit for human habitation. if the water is shut-off and tenants are in the building or apartment, Codes declares unfit. This becomes a major legal fiasco. I do agree with monthly billing. The tenants may be more likely to pay a smaller bill and if it had a few month window, the landlord could get through eviction proceedings without getting stuck with astronomical bills. part of the problem is we may get a "leak" or a running toilet,or a dripping sink and understanding the cost, we fix it. tenants are not as reliable at reporting what they view as a small problem. A running toilet can add hundreds to your bill very quickly.

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spike2

Jul-15-13 9:35 AM

Mike- it worked that way years ago. Landlords only need to call and have the other utilities (except water) shut-off if the tenant fails to do so. All other utilities stay with the tenant or the name on the bill. Only water goes to occupant and the reverts to the landlord.

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wwhickok

Jul-15-13 6:05 AM

The reason you can't have a say on how your taxes are spent is because how they are spent, doesn't effect you, not really. Even if you DO have a property in the city. It effects the tenants perhaps but not you. We live here, you don't. That's the difference. I'm not saying that your opinions are wrong, or that you don't have good ideas, but the bottom line is, the residents of the city are always going to have more say than nonresidents. Also, the difference is taxes is limited to Property Tax I assume, we as tenants pay taxes too.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-15-13 3:24 AM

Ritty, when I rented an apartment we were responsible to pay all the utilities, including water and sewer. I may be wrong, but I believe that the building owner is responsible for all unpaid utilities, not just water and sewer. I remember my landlord complaining about getting stuck for unpaid electric bills.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-15-13 3:20 AM

MimLogue-"I know why speal your mouth because you admit u pay no bills??"

What? Can you say that in English?

No, I said I don't have a water or sewer bill. Meaning I have a well and septic system on the property I own.

It's quite apparent to me that the only solution acceptable to you is that you aren't held responsible for the water bill. I don't see it happening. I don't necessarily disagree with you that the renter should be held responsible, but it is what it is. Your water authority isn't alone in holding the building owner responsible for the bill.

Bottom line is that you've been complaining about this for years and haven't taken any steps to protect yourself from getting stuck. I can't feel sorry for someone who knows it's going to happen but allows it to happen without trying to put in place any preventive measures. That's just not a good business practice.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-14-13 9:56 PM

I believe it was treated differently because of what used to be the relatively low cost. That cost has increased 300%. Also, water/sewage is billed every three months, so if tenants walk out on a bill that is two or three payments behind, it could be over 1000.00. And the landlord is responsible. That's the way I understand it and please correct me if I'm wrong. When prices increased as drastically as they did, they should have re-examined their policies to also consider billing monthly instead of quarterly. My last water/sewage bill was close to 300.00. Before the rate hikes I was paying around 100.00.

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Ritty77

Jul-14-13 9:28 PM

Water has traditionally been included with the rent, to be sure. But why is it and not the other utilities? Don't know.

In a building with separate units, each would need its own meter. But they seem to be able to do that with electric...

Maybe water was deemed a basic essential and was just naturally thought to be part of the deal. I mean, when you go to look at a home or apartment for possible occupancy, the water is on, but the electric might not be, and the phone and cable certainly aren't...

Anyone know why water is treated differently?

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-14-13 8:58 PM

I'm sorry but I have to agree with Mim.. this policy needs to be changed and tenants need to be held responsible for their water/sewage bill just like they are for any other utility that they use. This policy is outdated and applied back when most rent included water/sewage. I don't know if you've noticed but water/sewage charges have increased drastically in the last few years due to Chesapeake Bay cleanup regulations and landlords can no longer afford to include these utilities in the rent. Everyone is already up in arms about rent rates in the area. And the fact is, if tenants know they get "free" water/sewage, they are not going to be concerned about conservation. The policy needs to be updated now that most tenants do not get water and sewage included in order to hold them responsible. No different than electricity, cable and phone.

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MimLogue

Jul-14-13 6:42 PM

Why dont you pay all the tenants water bills and then go get it from them, good luck with that, I know why speal your mouth because you admit u pay no bills?? Get stuck with someone elses rent or water bill and then we"ll talk until then you are a first grader.

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MimLogue

Jul-14-13 6:35 PM

Should I throw in cable and phone ?? How about food ?? maybe I can provide transportation also??

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MimLogue

Jul-14-13 6:33 PM

Should I pay their electric and gas bills too and include that in the rent??

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MimLogue

Jul-14-13 6:29 PM

Mike you and your enema think toilet tank haven"t a clue but u suggest all landlords should pay all the water bills and let the tenants use as much as they want?? Theres a solution I havent thought of!! thanks again!! I"ll get right on that!!

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mikekerstetter

Jul-14-13 3:12 PM

Mim, I don't live in the City. Don't have a water or sewer bill. But if I WAS a landlord that was continually stuck with water bills, I would raise my rent and include the water and sewer in with the rent. You've been given that advice many times by several different people right here on these pages. Most people learn by their past mistakes. Apparently you aren't one of those people.

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CHayes

Jul-14-13 9:51 AM

" The water authority is out of control, supposed to be an arm of the city, but operates totally without the interest of the city."

Are you referring to the "Lycoming County Sewer and Water Authority"?

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jjs8282

Jul-14-13 9:14 AM

You vote where you live not where you work and/or own property or have a business. You do have to pay taxes. That's how its always been and always will. Don't like it then sell the property or move there yourself. Everyone who owns property knows this and if you don't then your head has been under a rock. If landlords don't like who they rent to, maybe they should do a better background check and application on them.

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CarlHiller

Jul-14-13 7:03 AM

enigma - I agree if the landlord wants a vote, move there. Being a landlord is nothing more than being a business owner. You may own a business in Williamsport and live in say, Muncy, you pay certain taxes here and there, but have no real voice in the doings of your business locality, yet you do in your home locality. Why should you have a voice in both?

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MimLogue

Jul-14-13 6:22 AM

Just paid a 500$ water bill left by a tenant, talked to another landlord who got a 1,000$ bill.This is money we could be buying improvements to our buildings, instead we are flushing good money down the drain because of your water authority policy . Blah blah blah Mike, Its your crappy city"s policy and apparently you want it to remain that way blah blah blah Mike.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-14-13 4:01 AM

Same ol' same ol'. Water authority blah blah blah, water authority blah, blah, blah. Stuck with tenants water bills, blah blah blah......... LOL. I knew who the letter was from as soon as I started reading it.

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MimLogue

Jul-13-13 9:14 PM

We are having a meeting 7pm at Sechler room, city hall; Wednesday night July 17th to discuss tenant registration. All renters should really consider being there , enter thru the rear.

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MimLogue

Jul-13-13 9:09 PM

How many of my tenants vote? How many even know who the mayor is OR EVEN cares?? 35,000 PEOPLE MAYBE 12,000 VOTE. Now mayor wants to register tenants, heck the water authority cant even register them.

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MimLogue

Jul-13-13 8:56 PM

So the people who invest the most sweat and money over there should just keep their mouth shut and go with the program? That"s really working? Same suits just different faces on the front page of the sun telling us the same thing 10 years later. Oh yeah!! things will get better when we all register tenants & I can vote. Ty what a think tank!!

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CitizenX

Jul-13-13 2:26 PM

My immediate reaction upon reading this LTE was the same as many others: if you are unhappy with circumstances, why not either live where you own property or own property where you live? Enigma said it quite well.

Maybe you could even live in one of the properties you currently rent out? Or is it that your rentals are not the kinds of places you would want to live in yourself?

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enigma

Jul-13-13 1:28 PM

Mim, If you want to vote in Williamsport, live there. If you just want to make money in Williamsport then deal with the laws and taxes they impose. I have no problem with people doing business where they don't live, but I do have a problem with people who don't live in a place wanting to run it. If it becomes too burdensome, then sell the properties and buy property in an area more to your liking.

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Fredzz

Jul-13-13 12:12 PM

Bobbie2

Who is " obumbler "..?

I don't know anyone by that name.

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Fredzz

Jul-13-13 12:03 PM

Bobbie2,

I don't see the connection..?

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