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Don’t sell the liquor business!

July 13, 2013

One half of all fatal road crashes involve a drunk driver....

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-13-13 6:00 AM

David the majority of the United States has privately owned liquor stores and DUI deaths have been on a downward trend since 1980. In 1980 there were 22,000, today that number is 11,000. Yea that is still not acceptable, however your assumption that privatizing liquor stores would somehow make it worse, just doesn't hold water.

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MrShaman

Jul-13-13 6:17 AM

I'm wondering who-it-is this letter is supposed to benefit; some kind of anti-capitalistic interests, or (more likely) folks who are presently working for the State...and, don't want to be inconvenienced with looking for a new job?

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Garben78

Jul-13-13 6:26 AM

Of course selling and privatizing the liquor is certainly going to put more money back to the tax payer and also the slots and poker tables are going to eliminate our taxes.

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Premier

Jul-13-13 6:51 AM

I have never understood how someone can argue that a State Government can have a monopoly over the sale of a product it taxes.

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CarlHiller

Jul-13-13 7:01 AM

"Should Pennsylvania sell its state-owned liquor business?" ABSOLUTELY, with the qualification of a good price for the opportunity to own a very lucrative business. The state cannot even spend tax dollars efficiently how can they ever run a business efficiently? The only reason privatization failed is because we have 2 parties - the Big Government Party and the Taxpayer Party. And there were not enough of the taxpayer party to defeat the big government elitists. It's not Republican or Democrat at any level of government anymore.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-13-13 7:10 AM

Premier, I've never thought of it that way. Good point.

Mr. Faust mistakenly believes that the governments selling of wine and liquor keeps DUI's low. But if I were to make a guess, I would guess most DUI's occur by those who were at a bar, not those who mostly drink at home.

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MrShaman

Jul-13-13 8:20 AM

"I have never understood how someone can argue that a State Government can have a monopoly over the sale of a product it taxes." - Premier

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Originally, your PLCB-card was the ONLY form of picture-ID (in PA), to verify a purchaser was over 21-years-of-age.

Things Change (despite "conservatives"' protestations)...and, liquor-store sales need to follow-suit.

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Premier

Jul-13-13 8:27 AM

So, you were for it before you were against it?

I've heard that somewhere before.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-13-13 8:31 AM

The state not only taxes the product, it controls the distribution of the product and it regulates the manufacturers of the product (who reside inside the state).

When I owned a winery, we were restricted to using only grapes grown in Pennsylvania.

NY state grape growers were throwing away grapes because they had a surplus.

PA Wineries could not purchase those grapes, but had to pay higher prices to PA grape growers.

At the same time, the PLCB started selling their own brand of wines in competition with local wineries.

The difference? The PLCB could use grapes grown anywhere in the world.

The state undermines our own local, mom & pop own businesses.

It is this type mafia-like control and tactics that underlie the REAL reasons why the PLCB must be privatized.

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USABorn

Jul-13-13 8:35 AM

MrShaman - 8:20 AM

"Originally, your PLCB-card was the ONLY form of picture-ID (in PA), to verify a purchaser was over 21-years-of-age."

"Things Change (despite "conservatives"' protestations)...and, liquor-store sales need to follow-suit."

Sham....You mean like the state issued ID card for voting? Things Change (despite "liberals"' protestations)...

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-13-13 10:00 AM

Great insight Erik... thanks

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slickthedryfly

Jul-13-13 10:54 AM

Shucks, in a three mile radius from my house here near Ft. Myers Beach(Paradise), there are over twenty places to buy beer and liquor, from every grocery store(4), convenience stores(8), pharmacies(6), even Big Lots sells beer and wine, and I don't see people crashing cars all over the place. When I heard they were going to sell beer up there at Wegmans, and how the righteous groups were opposed to it, it makes me laugh at how behind the times and conservative folks are up there. And I'll have to agree with Mike that probably most DUI crashes are from people driving after being in a bar.

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gavinf56

Jul-13-13 11:05 AM

Yea, the Conservatives didn't want to sell beer at Wegman's because they thought people would be walking around Wegman's drunk and now Liberals don't want to privatize the State stores because they think more people will be driving drunk.

You just can't make this stuff up.

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enigma

Jul-13-13 12:55 PM

David thinks that alcohol is the most evil substance known to man, so the government should sell it? He argued for prohibition and then says he will settle for allowing the government to run what should be a private business. Maybe cigarette sales should be limited to state owned stores too. Maybe ****** would be ok if only the state would sell it. This is truly the worst argument ever for the state being in a retail business.

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keith2002lhu

Jul-13-13 1:00 PM

What state store does Mr. Faust work at?

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mikekerstetter

Jul-13-13 1:04 PM

gavinf56-"Yea, the Conservatives didn't want to sell beer at Wegman's because they thought people would be walking around Wegman's drunk"

Yeah, I remember arguing with people about Wegmans and selling beer. But if my memory serves me correctly, it wasn't just conservatives who thought we were going to have drunken grocery cart crashes in the aisles. I remember them arguing about their kids watching all these drunks running around while they were grocery shopping.

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gavinf56

Jul-13-13 1:55 PM

Yea Mike, I remember that too.

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Brew4U

Jul-13-13 3:16 PM

Mr. Faust, Please allow me to clear some things up that you seem confused about. Most alcoholics go to "AA" meetings, drunks do not go to meetings. Most alcoholics and drunks would love to be able to walk/stagger down the street form their homes to get their booze. Instead they have to get behind the wheel of a car and we all know what can happen then. Most people who drink beers and wine coolers like to shop around to get the best price and will go out of their way to get the best price. In Pennsylvania people who drink liquor and wine have no choice of going to the cheapest place they are stuck with the State Store system. The state really needs to let the general public vote on this issue and not the corrupt cronies in Harrisburg.

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Brew4U

Jul-13-13 3:20 PM

Psst. Brews for all of yous ! Here's to selling the State Stores ! Cheerio !

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