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July 13, 2013

Anyone who can register to vote in Pennsylvania can get a free photo ID to comply with the state’s voter ID law. Those are the facts....

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mikekerstetter

Jul-15-13 9:31 PM

CHayes-"Stalking someone is indeed illegal. I would think that would be particularly true after receiving an explicit direction from the police to leave someone alone, but continue stalking them."

The police never gave direction to not follow him. A dispatcher did.

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cheyenne

Jul-15-13 4:01 PM

I did look into it. All of the newspaper articles I read gave almost the same details. So what if she worked with one of the killers' girlfriend and there could be more to it. There was more to the Martin/Zimmerman case than just Martin getting shot. If it had been a young black woman killed by 3 white men every media outlet in the country would have been all over it and you know it but refuse to admit it. Like I've said before, you liberals are not as interested in equal justice as you are about retribution for the past.

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CHayes

Jul-15-13 3:49 PM

I have to ask Mike, since you seem to think Trayvon Martin was such a tough guy, how much street cred do you think your dad living in a gated community is worth?

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CHayes

Jul-15-13 3:45 PM

And of course let's not forget, that we're talking about the state that last year about this time, sentenced a black woman with no criminal record, to 20 years for firing a single warning shot at her husband who she had an order of protection against. She currently serving her TWENTY YEAR sentence for firing a single bullet into a wall in her home, in an attempt to keep her abusive husband off her. Nobody was struck by the bullet.

Remember boys and girls, in FL "Stand Your Ground" is only for white people.

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CHayes

Jul-15-13 3:35 PM

" Where was the nation-wide media coverage and public outrage when Jacqueline Gardner was murdered?"

Is that from the thing on Facebook that claims she was."murdered for tip money"? You should probably look into that. There are TONS of news stories about it online. It turns out that one of the accused killers girlfriends worked with her, which implies there's more there than meets the eye. What kind of robber intentionally targets a waitress to get money?

Why didn't it get more national media coverage? Maybe because she wasn't a minor murdered by an adult? Might it be because her killers won't be using a controversial stand your ground law to try and dodge responsibility for there actions?

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CHayes

Jul-15-13 3:26 PM

" Following someone is not illegal."

Stalking someone is indeed illegal. I would think that would be particularly true after receiving an explicit direction from the police to leave someone alone, but continue stalking them.

"Beating someone because they are following you IS illegal."

It is NOT illegal in FL. Under the "stand your ground" law, you don't need to retreat if soeone is menacing you. All you need to feel is threatened, AMD you are authorized to respond with deadly force. Oh, that's right. You think the law only applies to white people.

" And quit trying to portray him as the media and prosecution did"

He was a 17 year old CHILD, on the way home from the store with a freaking bag of Skittles, and a can of tea. Apparently to your mind, as well as the mind of the killer that stalked, then murdered him, he was guilty of the capital offense of walking while black. I mean he was 17 and black, so he must have been in a gang, right Mi

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VXerick

Jul-15-13 12:42 PM

It's more profitable politically to use the race card in any situation. It trumps just plain old murder significantly. Otherwise, all those black on black murders that are a weekly event in Chicago would get more notice than a weekend tabulation in a local paper.

And unfortunately since Obama took office, black on white crime is also under reported, if at all by the MSM. The only thing you hear from them are the white on black crimes. George was only half white but that's white enough, unless your name is Obama, who is also half white.

The worst part is, most of us cannot claim pure whitehood. You'd be surprised what shows up when you have your DNA tested. If we're white, we're our own worst enemy. Don't be so complacent.

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cheyenne

Jul-15-13 11:43 AM

Where was the nation-wide media coverage and public outrage when Jacqueline Gardner was murdered? Oh, that's right. Never mind.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-15-13 11:23 AM

Following someone is not illegal. Beating someone because they are following you IS illegal.

Shooting someone because they are following you is illegal. Shooting someone because they are on top of you beating the crap out of you IS legal IF you feel your life is in danger.

And quit trying to portray him as the media and prosecution did to be like a 12 year old child. He was over 6 feet tall and not the skinny boy faced kid they showed all over the media.

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CHayes

Jul-15-13 9:28 AM

" What I find the most disturbing about all this is the lack of outrage over the all gang shootings."

The fact that shooting a 17 year old kid who's on the way home to his fathers house from the market, seems to be LEGAL in FL. All you have to do is say you felt threatened.

The people involved on the gang murders will be hunted down, and if apprehended, will likely spend a significant time, if not the rest of their life, in prison. Not so in FL.

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CHayes

Jul-15-13 8:18 AM

" As for what he was doing the night in question, you conveniently, or perhaps purposely, left out the fact that he attacked the person who shot him."

So then it seems Mike that its your contetion that FL's stand your ground law is only for white people? That night there were two people in the street, a 17 year old, unarmed teenager on his way home from the market, and an armed adult that was stalking him. It was clearly established that young Mr. Martin felt threatened. It was NOT established that Martin "attacked" Zimmerman. There were no witnesses to the start of the confrontatation.

And maybe you can explain to me why you feel that under he existing FL law, Martin had less right to use deadly force against someone who was menacing him, than Zimmerman had to use against a teenagerwho was walking home from the store minding his own business when he sighted him? Oh, I see.

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USABorn

Jul-15-13 6:59 AM

CMReeder - 5:17 PM

"Only a conservative would think that a vote is deadly."

Hadn't thought about it quite like that before, BUT......A vote can be VERY deadly

It was votes that put Dumbama in a position to destroy the Constitution and the U.S. which he has been diligently working on doing for the past 5 years!!!!!

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mikekerstetter

Jul-15-13 3:44 AM

CHayes-"Now I've seen pictures of Trayvon Martin, and he was a nice, respectable looking kid. We know for a FACT, that the only thing he was doing the night he was MURDERED, was coming home from buying a bag of candy and a tea at the local convenience store."

You mean the picture they keep showing from when he was 12?

As for what he was doing the night in question, you conveniently, or perhaps purposely, left out the fact that he attacked the person who shot him. That fact was backed by an eyewitness who said Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him 'MMA Style'. It's a fact that the police believed and why no charges were filed until Obama jumped into the mix and stirred the pot. They had no case against Zimmerman and they knew it, a fact bolstered with the acquittal.

What I find the most disturbing about all this is the lack of outrage over the all gang shootings. One hispanic guy shoots a black kid in self defense and all the race baiters go nuts.

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cheyenne

Jul-15-13 12:30 AM

CHayes, is it your belief that this tragic sequence of events would never have occurred if both persons involved had been of the same race? Perhaps it wouldn't have but we will never know. My point is, before the facts and details have even been established, the mere fact that the parties involved are of different races is all the media needs to start painting the incident as being racist motivated. That is what sells newspapers and boosts ratings.

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CHayes

Jul-14-13 11:12 PM

"I think America would be a much better place, if it wasn't immediately assumed that whenever a violent act is committed involving persons of different races, that race was the motivating factor for the act."

Now I've seen pictures of Trayvon Martin, and he was a nice, respectable looking kid. We know for a FACT, that the only thing he was doing the night he was MURDERED, was coming home from buying a bag of candy and a tea at the local convenience store.

Gee, I wonder what sort of thing could have possibly made him look "suspicious" to the "neighborhood watch" captain that was about to murder him? You know, the "neighborhood watch" that's supposed to PREVENT neighborhood kids from getting shot, right?

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mikekerstetter

Jul-14-13 6:11 PM

Imagine that, Chuck didn't get the point either.

Maybe you can answer the question...

We are guaranteed the right to keep and bear arms in our Constitution. But nowhere does it guarantee a right to vote. So which one is truly violating our rights?

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cheyenne

Jul-14-13 5:52 PM

"I think America would be a much better place, if everyone was required to have a "Justice for Trayvon" t shirt to vote."- CHayes

I think America would be a much better place, if it wasn't immediately assumed that whenever a violent act is committed involving persons of different races, that race was the motivating factor for the act. We can thank the media's thirst for a ratings-boosting riveting story for maintaining the majority of racial distrust and tension.

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CMReeder

Jul-14-13 5:17 PM

"I love the hypocrisy from the left. They whine, moan and complain that it's an extreme inconvenience to obtain and show an ID to vote. Then they turn around and say it's a minor inconvenience for someone to have to show an ID, go through a background check, register a weapon and then get a license to carry. Liberal reasoning at it's best. "

Only a conservative would think that a vote is deadly.

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CMReeder

Jul-14-13 5:09 PM

Why is it that it is a republican that usually gets convicted of it.

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CHayes

Jul-14-13 3:54 PM

" I would say the push for immigration reform and amnesty was a huge manipulation by the democrats in order to raise their voter base by millions of votes"

So then you're saying that nobody is actually concerned with immigrants, say, paying taxes, or working under the protection of US labor laws, or having parents, or spouses deported and families torn apart? It's all just one big diabolical voting scheme?

It would not be possible to disagree in stronger terms. The first hole in your theory, is that people with a green card can't vote. You need to be a citizen to vote, and all the proposed legislation does is provide a green card, and the possibility of a path to citizenship.

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CHayes

Jul-14-13 3:49 PM

I think America would be a much better place, if everyone was required to have a "Justice for Trayvon" t shirt to vote. Don't worry if you don't have one, you can go down to a govt office, and after filling out a bunch of paperwork, digging out your birth certificate, and a couple more requirements, you will be issued one for "free". You'll have to male sure to into the govt office at least a few weeks before the election though, as all the paperwork needs to be processed before you get your "free" shirt.

Who could possibly have a problem with that?

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WKnapp

Jul-14-13 3:18 PM

Discussion here seems to indicate there is only one county in Ohio, that being Hamilton County. Cincinnati is the county seat of Hamilton County, so I'd expect it to be a primarily liberal county. There are eighty-eight counties in Ohio, and Hamilton is fairly small, area-wise. How much voter fraud exists in the rest of Ohio's counties? I don't know. I'm not as concerned with voter fraud, though ID is a GREAT IDEA, and should be nothing new concerning voting. But, fraud and deceit are the pillars of liberalism in general, and progressivism in particular. Bait and switch and restricting information concerning candidates' positions and personal information, such as education, experience and known associates are especially troubling methods of defrauding and deceiving the electorate, utilized by leftists of all stripes.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-14-13 3:07 PM

sideliner-"Mike, I never knew anyone to die as the result of pulling the lever in an voting booth. On the other hand, can you say that about pulling the trigger on a weapon you want just anybody and everybody to be able to possess with little or no accountability?"

Not surprisingly, you completely missed the point of my post. The point is that it is a whole lot easier to vote than to purchase, register and get a license to carry. And I'm OK with that.

But the Liberals have continually whined about what a hardship it is to have to show an ID to vote but tell us how easy it is to get a gun with so many more steps involved.

Here is something to ponder; we are guaranteed the right to keep and bear arms in our Constitution. But nowhere does it guarantee a right to vote. So which one is truly violating our rights?

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-14-13 12:37 PM

CHayes both parties are guilty of trying to manipulate the voter base. I would say the push for immigration reform and amnesty was a huge manipulation by the democrats in order to raise their voter base by millions of votes. Neither party is innocent.

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CHayes

Jul-14-13 11:11 AM

"The Hamilton County Board of Elections is investigating 19 possible cases of alleged voter fraud that occurred when Ohio was a focal point of the 2012 presidential election. A total of 19 voters and nine witnesses are part of the probe."

Apparently bobo the clown misunderstood you Jerry. Virtually all cases he mentions here are regarding ABSENTEE voting, NOT in person voter fraud like you asked about. PA's voter ID law would have done NOTHING to prevent any of the cases bobo mentioned. These are people that cast an absentee ballot under their own name, THEN went to the polls and cast an in person ballot UNDER THEIR OWN NAME.

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