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July 13, 2013

Anyone who can register to vote in Pennsylvania can get a free photo ID to comply with the state’s voter ID law. Those are the facts....

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Garben78

Jul-13-13 6:35 AM

Some would rather complain and feel left out then too take 15 minutes from their lives to do this easy task and get ID

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JerryfromRI

Jul-13-13 6:39 AM

This law is unnecessary and a waste of taxpayer money.

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CaveFelem

Jul-13-13 6:58 AM

I laugh when the radio station lists their contest rules, especially when it involves a government issued ID. I wonder why someone hasn't pitched a fit about that by now.

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CMReeder

Jul-13-13 7:00 AM

You mean after the state made the required changes to make it easy to get an ID for those who did not have the required state ID card.

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sideliner

Jul-13-13 7:26 AM

I don't have a problem with the requirement. I do however take issue with the timing of it and the real unstated underlying agenda behind it. There was never an issue with ID related voter fraud raised until this president's time for reelection.

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CMReeder

Jul-13-13 8:18 AM

Actually accussations of voter fraud has been around for a long time.

Nothing was ever done because the amount of actual voting fraud was less than 1%. You are correct about one thing legislative action did not take off until Obama was elected president.

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Premier

Jul-13-13 8:21 AM

The Federal Trade Commission requires positive ID for care at any medical facility to protect against identity fraud. So how can there be ANY disenfranchised voters who say they can't get an ID card.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-13-13 8:43 AM

Whether you agree with voter id or not, to use the argument that it will disenfranchise anyone is a weak argument in this day and age. The need for identification in so many other areas of our lives, makes it hard to believe that adding the id requirement to vote, would exclude so many and that these same people have no way of obtaining a free id. If you want to argue against it, then argue it on it's merits and not use the poor or elderly as an excuse. It has no basis and it's weak.

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CHayes

Jul-13-13 8:55 AM

From the letter: " By signing a statement you have no other ID for voting, the voter ID card is free."

Is our fantastic Sec. of State trying to tell us that when the taxpayers have to pick up the tab for millions of dollars, that it means something is "free"? That's an interesting definition of "free" if you ask me.

And why do we suddenly need to spend all this money again?

When the number of voters arrested for voter fraud in the state of PA approaches the number of people that do not meet their obligations as citizens to cast a ballot, get back to me. For that matter, when the number of people arrested for attempted voter ID fraud in a given year breaks double digits, get back to me.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-13-13 9:03 AM

Anyone notice how the liberal argument has gone from voter disenfranchisement to "its not a big problem"?

I guess they realized the stupidity of their first position and have staked out another foolish position.

If there was fraud in Florida in 2000, Gore may have won.

But without ID, we will not know.

Thanks for helping elect Bush, liberals!

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CHayes

Jul-13-13 9:12 AM

" Last fall, the Department of State instituted an online voter complain form, so voters could send concerns directly to their county board of elections. A total of 534 voters did just that."

There are MILLIONS of registered voters in PA, and your justification for flushing millions of state taxpayer dollars down the toilet, is the fact that 534 people filled out an online complaint form? And you have a degree in Economics from Cornell? Did you buy it from a website?

Do tell us Ms. Aichele, how many of those 534 complaints were from people complaining about having to produce ID to vote?

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CMReeder

Jul-13-13 9:16 AM

"The Federal Trade Commission requires positive ID for care at any medical facility to protect against identity fraud. So how can there be ANY disenfranchised voters who say they can't get an ID card."

Love how you twist things. The first example is any photo ID the second example is a photo ID issue by the state you are voting in.

PA change the required form of ID and the forms needed to get a required state Photo ID.

By limiting acceptable forms of ID you were in fact disenfranchising people and then you made it difficult to acquire the proper ID in a very small window of opportunity.

The stae made changes so that the form of ID was less restrictive.

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CHayes

Jul-13-13 9:16 AM

" Anyone notice how the liberal argument has gone from voter disenfranchisement to "its not a big problem"?"

Do you ever post anything that's factually correct erik? My argument FROM DAY ONE, has been that is moronic to waste millions of taxpayer dollars, and inconvenience millions of PA voters, when there has been EXACTLY one case of in person voter identity fraud in the ENTIRE history.of the state of PA.

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CHayes

Jul-13-13 9:30 AM

This letter is a terrific example of yet another big govt Republican, that just lives to waste millions of taxpayer dollars by growing the bureaucracy in Harrisburg, and giving away "freebies".

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max4ever

Jul-13-13 10:30 AM

This is seriously the most ridiculous topic to debate! I went to the Federal Bldg. yesterday to DROP off paperwork to the Social Security office and couldn't even gain entrance to the building without a photo ID. I am not complaining about this requirement, but voting is one of the most important things we as citizens of a free country are able to do, what's the big deal about voter ID? It should be required, and please get off the "race" thing. King Obama has nothing to do with this attempt by the Republicans to prevent multiple voting from taking place, or someone voting for another person. I wish the Liberals would jump off the voter ID soap box they have been on and maybe start focusing on issues at hand such as: Benghazi, IRS profiling of Conservatives, the Justice Department enticing demonstrations to support Trevvon Martin, Immigration Reform..... What a group of whining babies!

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CHayes

Jul-13-13 10:53 AM

" attempt by the Republicans to prevent multiple voting from taking place, or someone voting for another person."

Multiple voting? Someone voting as another person? If you want to spend millions of tax dollars in a way that inconveniences millions of voters, shouldn't you be able to produce even the flimsiest evidence that either of these things ate occurring in our state?

What's next? Unicorn crossing signs? Chupacabra research?

You can't "protect the integrity" of an election by preventing thousands of registered voters from excersizing their Constitutional right to vote.

It's absolutely stunning to me to see people defending this after the Republican Speaker of the PA house openly and publcly admitted the law was passed to help Romney win PA, and a high level FL state Republican official openly admitted the law was passed in FL to make it more difficult and inconvenient for minorities to vote.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-13-13 11:44 AM

"You left out by eliminating Rat voter fraud"

Please demonstrate that in person voter fraud exists.

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CMReeder

Jul-13-13 2:34 PM

Bobbie has no proof but then that doesn't stop her.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-13-13 3:29 PM

Obama won Ohio by 103,481 votes. You've demonstrated that 19 votes are under investigation. Presume all 19 are fraudulent, you don't say who those votes were cast for.

Bobbie, do you REALLY believe that that are another 103k+ fraudulent votes out there in Ohio?

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JerryfromRI

Jul-13-13 3:57 PM

How about we have a uniform national standard for voting. The right to cast a ballot, is after all, fundamental to a democracy.

Let's have a constitutional amendment requiring national voter identification cards. Armed with this card, a citizen can cast their vote from any voting booth in the country, with the electronic voting machine providing that person with the proper ballet for their home district.

Let's invest the money into fixing the voting rights issue once and for all time.

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CHayes

Jul-13-13 4:25 PM

You're low Jerry. President Obama won OH in 2012 by 166,214 votes, which was about half the number of votes he won PA by.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-13-13 10:13 PM

Alright then Bobbie, question for you, if there were more than 100,000 cases of voter fraud in Ohio, why is the best the State can do is to go after 19 of them?

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JerryfromRI

Jul-13-13 10:15 PM

Chris, I used Politico's Ohio data. I'll have to go back and see if I did bad math or somethin'. I made sure I used the 2012 data.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-14-13 4:13 AM

I love the hypocrisy from the left. They whine, moan and complain that it's an extreme inconvenience to obtain and show an ID to vote. Then they turn around and say it's a minor inconvenience for someone to have to show an ID, go through a background check, register a weapon and then get a license to carry. Liberal reasoning at it's best.

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sideliner

Jul-14-13 8:07 AM

Mike, I never knew anyone to die as the result of pulling the lever in an voting booth. On the other hand, can you say that about pulling the trigger on a weapon you want just anybody and everybody to be able to possess with little or no accountability?

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