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The expert

July 13, 2013

Once again the President of the United States has demonstrated his contempt and rejection of the Constitution; and, ultimately, his Oath of Office....

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sideliner

Jul-14-13 8:20 AM

GysgtUSMC, I agree that there was little resistance to the passage of the Patriot Act from either side of the aisle. And as I recall at that time, one was quickly labeled unAmerican, not patriotic, a terrorist sympathizer, and any number of other horrible things if one even slightly disagreed with anything the Bush administration was doing to "protect" the country, including objection to the war itself, objection to secret prisons, objection to torture, objection to unwarranted and open-ended imprisonment, on and on. It was political suicide to question our tactics.

We, at that time, were moving to the beat of the war drums started by Cheney. And those drums were so powerful that the whole cause of the Iraq invasion got all wrapped up in 9/11. You couldn't tell people that Saddam was not involved in the Twin Towers destruction without being questioned on your patriotism. Scary time.

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CMReeder

Jul-14-13 7:13 AM

The citizens have no power in a democratic republic?!

So Bush created another government agency that failed to do as intended. He added another layer of bureaucracy.

Yes I did not(still don't) like the Patriot Act but it is now the law and it was easily renewed.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-13-13 5:05 PM

I am curious on how you think citizen's could have stopped it. Once we put leaders in Washington we rarely have any power over decisions they make.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-13-13 5:03 PM

He created the Department of Homeland Security who's purpose was to consolidate these different agencies under one umbrella. The problem is, the FBI and CIA are still separate agencies that still have problems communicating as was brought to light after the Boston bombings. And I'm glad to hear you share my feelings regarding the Patriot Act.

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CMReeder

Jul-13-13 4:47 PM

Sorry but the people did not stop it. We voiced our dissent and that was the end of it. Those liberal who did speak out were called un-American. I know because I was one of them.

Now too many intelligence gathering agencies and their inability to communicate is to blame. How did Bush decide to solve that problem?

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-13-13 3:12 PM

No 9/11 was a result of too many government agencies gathering intelligence and not communicating. And you are wrong about liberals bashing Bush and the Patriot Act. MSNBC talking heads being the loudest. I specifically remember because it's about the only subject I agreed with them on. And Mr. Reeder this is not about guilt and who is right and who is wrong. This about how far we are going to allow government to manipulate our rights in the name of security. I stand by my protest of the Patriot Act and any other intelligence gathering tool that infringes on my rights. We can agree to disagree.

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CMReeder

Jul-13-13 2:46 PM

"The United States can guard against the continuing threat of terrorism while keeping its traditional democratic values in place. To do otherwise is allowing the enemy to achieve their goals."

9/11 proved otherwise to the American people. That is how we got the laws we have.

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CMReeder

Jul-13-13 2:44 PM

Really GysgtUSMC. They did not protest it, they did not file a lawsuit. The people accepted this law. You are just as guilty as the rest of us.

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CMReeder

Jul-13-13 2:36 PM

"Actually they're "our dollars" that you stole from us."

What a moron!

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-13-13 11:44 AM

What blame do you want me to take Mr. Reeder? You state the American people agreed to it; no Congress and the president agreed to it when they were making many hasty decisions at a time they knew the American people wouldn't question it because of the fear they have. In fact after the act was passed MANY liberal media organizations cried out against it time and time again when Bush was in office. Now that it has been renewed and Obama is in office, it seems to be the right thing to do. Sorry, I have been against it from day one. Americans should not be expected to accept apparently indefinite infringements on civil liberties and the abandonment of constitutional principles. The United States can guard against the continuing threat of terrorism while keeping its traditional democratic values in place. To do otherwise is allowing the enemy to achieve their goals.

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CMReeder

Jul-13-13 11:04 AM

You blame the terrorists. You blame the left for blaming Bush. When are you going to start taking some of the blame. The American people agreed to it there was very little objection. After all as the argument went it was an act that needed to be renewed.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-13-13 10:14 AM

Erik- "Today, it seems members of both parties make excuses for why we must give up some freedoms to remain secure."

And that is exactly one of the main goal of terrorist organizations. They despise the freedoms that Americans have and their goals are to squash those freedoms thru campaigns of terror.

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sideliner

Jul-13-13 9:59 AM

"We defeated evils worldwide without sacrificing individual rights and freedoms.

Today, it seems members of both parties make excuses for why we must give up some freedoms to remain secure."

No sacrifice of freedoms?? What do you call the Patriot Act? And it wasn't "today" that that act was bulldozed through Congress. That was done by the previous administration, or did you forget that, Erik?

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sideliner

Jul-13-13 9:56 AM

"Guess that explains why there are no successful targeters of the cheapskate liberal demographic."

Sorry, Boobie2 (are there REALLY 2 of you???) We liberals just aren't so foolish with our dollars.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-13-13 9:39 AM

This President has contempt for our founding principles.

Capitalism an constitutional gov't created the wealthiest nation on the face of the planet....not by exploiting anyone, but by lifting everyone.

We corrected the wrongs of slavery, women's suffrage though our normal elective process.

We defeated evils worldwide without sacrificing individual rights and freedoms.

Today, it seems members of both parties make excuses for why we must give up some freedoms to remain secure.

The President himself has justified the expansion of surveillance programs that were meant to be targeted at specific individuals and only with permission of a court.

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CMReeder

Jul-13-13 9:27 AM

GysgtUSMC, I did not blame Bush for this letter but you and others feel compelled to blame Obama for everything. No one on the right blamed Bush for a thing it was Clinton. As a matter of fact they still blame Clinton for a lot now that Hillary is contemplating a run for President.

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CMReeder

Jul-13-13 9:19 AM

"The same thing can be said for those who oppose privatization of liquor sales."

You are on the wrong letter. It is not the same.

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USABorn

Jul-13-13 9:15 AM

I can't abide the Liar-in-chief, but truth is truth. He DID NOT MAKE THAT SO CALLED SPEECH TO THE SUMMER INTERNS.

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sideliner

Jul-13-13 9:09 AM

I just did a copy and paste into Google of some of the text of this LTE and QUICKLY found that the origin of this new accusation of America-hating by the current president is an article published in The Liberty Paper clearly marked political satire but rapidly exploited by the right to scare, confuse and misinform even further the gullible haters waiting at their in boxes for more ammo - valid or otherwise - against the current administration.

Just goes to show that people see and hear only that which validates their own agenda. And playing to an audience like that is extremely profitable in real dollars for it seems this demographic doesn't mind spending... just ask Fox News and Rupert Murdoch.

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GoBB62

Jul-13-13 9:02 AM

"Some people stay so mired in the past they can not nor will they face the present or the future." - chuckles

The same thing can be said for those who oppose privatization of liquor sales.

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LeisureSuitLarry

Jul-13-13 8:20 AM

If Obama truly said these things, then I can surely believe he would have said Stonewall Jackson in reference to New Orleans (the clown in chief is such an idiot anyhow), so maybe the writer is accurately quoting. After all, how many states do we have according to the chosen one? 57 or something?

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-13-13 7:44 AM

It's sad to say but the very government that our Founding Father's escaped from, is the same government we are becoming today.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-13-13 7:40 AM

Mr. Reeder, that may be, so let's stop blaming Bush with regards to everything that is happening today. If the president did in fact make the statement about celebrating where we are going and not where we have been, then he is showing a total disrespect to the men and women who sacrificed so much to get us where we are.

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CMReeder

Jul-13-13 7:32 AM

Some people stay so mired in the past they can not nor will they face the present or the future. Mr. Weigle you are no expert.

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CaymanJim

Jul-13-13 12:42 AM

It was Andrew Jackson, not Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, at New Orleans. You trying to give us all some sort of history lesson here? If so, friend, you gotta get your facts straight or risk losing your credibility and being labeled with the appellation of idiot.

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