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July 15, 2013

So laws should not define behavior only punish those who infringe on another's rights. I have news for you when you pass laws that punish unacceptable behavior you are defining acceptable behavior....

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CitizenX

Jul-15-13 1:45 AM

Sigh. Ho-hum

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mikekerstetter

Jul-15-13 3:49 AM

All laws determine Morals. In many cases whether something is legal determines how society views it. Before Roe most people thought abortion was immoral. Now it's about 50/50.

I have to agree with much of what Chuck writes here.

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-15-13 5:13 AM

I find it sad that we need so many laws to tell us how to behave. Mom, Dad, church and school used to teach us those things. Not so much these days.The lines have been blurred on what is and isn't acceptable these days, I'm not so sure for the better.

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gavinf56

Jul-15-13 5:23 AM

"So laws should not define behavior only punish those who infringe on another's rights. I have news for you when you pass laws that punish unacceptable behavior you are defining acceptable behavior."

"It is not the laws on behavior you object to it is the change in attitudes about what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior in society that you object to."

I see Chuck still doesn't get it. No surprise there.

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gavinf56

Jul-15-13 5:42 AM

Laws that prevent one from infringing upon another's right do not change with time or what is "acceptable behavior".

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MrShaman

Jul-15-13 5:58 AM

"What was unacceptable 40 years ago now has changed. Some behavior is still unacceptable but society has changed or mellowed it stance on others." - Charles M. Reeder

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I think that's (still) called maturation.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-15-13 6:00 AM

Much of what CMReeder say is true.

When you get to his statement........"society has changed or mellowed it stance on others.", it is somewhat true but unfortunately the Supreme Court has taken it farther by overstepped it's authority and legislated from the bench.

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MrShaman

Jul-15-13 6:03 AM

"So laws should not define behavior only punish those who infringe on another's rights. I have news for you when you pass laws that punish unacceptable behavior you are defining acceptable behavior."

"It is not the laws on behavior you object to it is the change in attitudes about what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior in society that you object to."

I see Chuck still doesn't get it." - gavinf56

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"Get" what??

Do (you) "conservatives" EVER fully-think-things-thru, before "engaging" your mouth?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-15-13 6:10 AM

"Laws that prevent one from infringing upon another's right do not change with time or what is "acceptable behavior"."--Gavin56

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Tell that to the baby in the womb who had its right to life taken away by Roe v. Wade legislation, even when the mother's life was not in jeopardy.

It is done a million times per year.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-15-13 6:25 AM

"I find it sad that we need so many laws to tell us how to behave."--tgrammiex4

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So true. Jesus said the greatest commandment is to "Love The Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength" and the second commandment was to "Love your neighbor as yourself."

The latter pretty much sums up the laws that we need to live under in civilized society.

Of course there are a few others like "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"; we just negotiate what that amount is and try to get Caesar to have a balanced budget.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-15-13 6:31 AM

"What was unacceptable 40 years ago now has changed. Some behavior is still unacceptable but society has changed or mellowed it stance on others." - Charles M. Reeder

The ore liberal society has become, the more "mellow" it is getting with regards to what was once unacceptable behavior. It's up to the parents whether they want to raise their children with a liberal care free attitude, or continue to instill basic moral values.

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MrShaman

Jul-15-13 6:40 AM

"What was unacceptable 40 years ago now has changed. Some behavior is still unacceptable but society has changed or mellowed it stance on others." - Charles M. Reeder

It's up to the parents whether they want to raise their children with a liberal care free attitude, or continue to instill basic moral values." - GysgtUSMC

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Gee...how "specific"!!

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MrShaman

Jul-15-13 6:45 AM

"Laws that prevent one from infringing upon another's right do not change with time or what is "acceptable behavior"."--Gavin56

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Tell that to the baby in the womb who had its right to life taken away by Roe v. Wade legislation, even when the mother's life was not in jeopardy.

It is done a million times per year." - ToTEXASfromPA

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Riiiiiiiiiiiight, and "everybody KNOWS" there aren't that many rapes, per year...well, OUTSIDE the ones that happen when someone is serving in the U.S. military.

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-15-13 6:49 AM

Do (you) "conservatives" EVER fully-think-things-thru, before "engaging" your mouth? - Shaman

It could be worse. We could just make thoughtless , sarcastic remarks about everyone's comments and not really add anything to the conversation.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-15-13 7:10 AM

Amen TGrammie, I don't even bother with him anymore. He has shown his total disrespect to me and the men and women in the armed forces and he is too far gone to even try to communicate with. He's like a bully in a school yard that nobody wants anything to do with but he keeps hanging around like a tick on a dog.

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Darlin

Jul-15-13 7:21 AM

Is this letter a joke???

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CMReeder

Jul-15-13 8:24 AM

I am going to break my rule of not commenting on my own letter.

You are the joke Darlin.

GysgtUSMC, do you parent exactly as your parents and grandparents did?

Gavin you are the one who fails to get it. The Constitution is a set of rules and from that society takes it cue as to what behaviors they can make rules on. Behavior changes in society and society expresses it in their laws and rules. Those laws and rules define behavior.

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MrShaman

Jul-15-13 8:25 AM

Amen TGrammie, I don't even bother with him anymore. He has shown his total disrespect to me..." - GysgtUSMC

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I don't (even) know you. What requires me to show you ANYthing??

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philunderwood

Jul-15-13 8:27 AM

Government passes and enforces laws; society operates on rules about what is acceptable and unacceptable. Some will never understand or differentiate between the two.

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gavinf56

Jul-15-13 8:31 AM

You are correct Phil, and Chuck lacks the ability to understand.

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CMReeder

Jul-15-13 8:39 AM

Society creates government to enforce their rules and turning them into law.

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DavidBross

Jul-15-13 8:41 AM

I think Chuck wrote a good letter that makes a valid point. At this point in my life, it seems to me that every belief humans have expressed is subject to change. Sometimes it's the actual words, sometimes it's how the words are interpreted. I don't think it matters if the belief is an actual law or just an accepted way of doing things.

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CMReeder

Jul-15-13 8:42 AM

Apparently Phil confuses rules of etiquette with rules of behavior. He also does not acknowledge that society uses all of it's institutions to define behavior including government.

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spike2

Jul-15-13 8:47 AM

I'll take the 50/50 approach. The basic laws mimic some "moral" law, others not. Part of the impetus for Roe v. Wade was the "Gosnell" type, back room abortion shops. Abortion is not new, only the ability to have an abortion performed safely. Should restrictions exist? Certainly. I understand the anti-abortion viewpoint. However, we do have to also then deal with the means to care for the children who are born to the abjectly poor, the mentally ill, those with birth defects, etc..Nothing is as simple as yes or no. We don't live on farms anymore. We can't care for a child by planting two extra rows of vegetables,few extra hens and an extra 19 yards of material. My point is, much like all things, having children is expensive. Only those who can afford children disagree. These issues are like a painting. We have to examine the full painting, not focus only on one flower.

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coffee

Jul-15-13 8:53 AM

"Gavin you are the one who fails to get it. The Constitution is a set of rules and from that society takes it cue as to what behaviors they can make rules on." CMReeder

Wrong again!

The Constitution is a set of rules written by our forefathers to limit the power of our government!

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