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A needed Supreme Court ruling

July 15, 2013

The U S Supreme Court has ruled in favor of Same Sex unions or whatever you want to call it. The Supreme Court needs to consider a change of one of the Ten Commandments....

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wwhickok

Jul-17-13 9:11 AM

Idiotic letter. First of All the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction to change a 'religious moral code' because that's all it really is even if laws have been based upon it.

Also more importantly, some of us parents are willing to accept out children for who they are. All I ask for is that they are a good person aka not a criminal, egotistical a-hole, not cruel towards others, good mannered, etc.

Who they're in a relationship with, frankly that's their business. Would I prefer my child to have a traditional relationship? Of course and I will be sure that he understands what a 'traditional' relationship is when it's appropriate. But who he becomes in that regard, I won't worry myself over, I'll always love and accept my children for who they are.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-16-13 2:05 PM

Spike2,

Yes, slander is harder to prove damages for.

I believe that most people would agree that free speech is a good thing and that is why it is a right.

But there could be a point where someone would inappropriately go too far with free speech and it could hurt someone. Slander may be hard to prove but because the law exists, it acts as a deterrant so that slander is less prevelant than if the law was not present.

Hence, most people with a moral conscience would say that it is appropriate for society to have this law.

The freedom of speech (a moral law) is limited by not slandering/verbally hurting another (another moral law).

So one moral law can take precidence over another moral law.

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spike2

Jul-16-13 11:43 AM

Tex - and those are all current offenses in the Pa. criminal or Civil Code. Slander is probably the most difficult. You need an actual harm with a financial value.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-15-13 7:44 PM

Spike2,

I guess the question is which biblical "laws" should we apply or not apply to all of society through our system of laws.

Not murdering, not stealing, false testimony in a court, not assaulting, not committing incest, and not slandering are in the Bible and probably make sense for society to adhere to, although some might disagree on some items.

Whereas, not coveting, worshipping of idols, worshipping of gods other than God, not working on the sabbath, lusting, restricting eating certain foods, and self-defense would not be good to enforce with our societal laws. Many of these are still good for Christians to follow and strengthen their relationship with God.

The former set are part of the moral law, the natural law, that should be the basis of many of our laws.

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spike2

Jul-15-13 2:24 PM

Totexas - a fair number of people are non-believers or don't believe in Jesus. How do you apply your biblical law to all those and not be the "American Taliban"?

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CMReeder

Jul-15-13 1:30 PM

As you pointed out Texas those moral laws have changed over time we do not punish as they once did. We don't conquer and enslave.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-15-13 1:29 PM

"That would mean that we must enforce the Old Testament as well."--JohnMBower

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The Old Testament laws were generally written to the Israelites. Many of these were elaborations on the moral law written in mankind's heart. Other dietary, etc. laws were often times written to keep the Israelites (the nation chosen to bring Jesus into the world) as set apart from the surrounding nations (Philistines, Moabites, Amorites, Egypt, etc) and not adopt their pagan rituls that pointed away from God.

No we don't have to have a nation-wide Passover Sedar; although understanding it helps us understand how some of these things pointed to God and His eventually coming as flesh.

BTW, salvation is through Jesus Christ; he fulfilled the laws.

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CMReeder

Jul-15-13 1:27 PM

The writer says the Court after ruling on same sex marriage needs to change the a Part of the Ten Commandments. The Supreme Court can't do that, they can only rule on the laws formulated by man.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-15-13 1:06 PM

"Mr. Kovich was asking for the Supreme Court to enforce the laws of the bible."--JohnMBower

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I thought the author of the LTE was trying to change the Ten Commandments that were carved into stone 3500+ years ago, twice. :-)

I didn't say that we should have a theocracy. Our laws are based on the moral law, the natural law, the unalienable rights that are written in mankind's mind/heart and were initially placed there prior to the Israelites receiving the Ten Commandments and some hundreds and hundreds of Levitical laws.

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AmericanCitizen

Jul-15-13 12:44 PM

CMReeder - "It is not the friend who breaks the sabbath but his employer."

Whatever, as long as I get to smite somebody.

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MrShaman

Jul-15-13 12:29 PM

Their has to be something in the book about gay marriage as it seems I read almost weekly about a priest molesting a boy." - Garben78

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Priests? Gay?? Hardly.

They're merely one MORE herd o' people who've chosen to live an unnatural/repressive-lifestyle, and feel they've got some kind o' "divine right" to share their madness/insanity with others.

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MrShaman

Jul-15-13 12:09 PM

"If we are going to enforce the Ten Commandments as legal statutes, surely we should also be enforcing the PUNISHMENTS God requires for breaking those commandments, should we not? (Hint: the punishment for 7 out of the 10 is "death.")

And what of the rest of the commandments? You all do realize there are over 600 of them, not just those first ten, right?" - AmericanCitizen

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That's why the abridged version (of them) makes so-much-more sense....and, much easier to remember!!

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See:

George Carlin - 10 Commandments (YouTube)

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CMReeder

Jul-15-13 12:00 PM

It is not the friend who breaks the sabbath but his employer.

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Garben78

Jul-15-13 11:18 AM

Their has to be something in the book about gay marriage as it seems I read almost weekly about a priest molesting a boy

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AmericanCitizen

Jul-15-13 10:36 AM

I have a friend who is an EMT and occasionally has to work on the Sabbath. Am I morally obliged to kill him myself or can I try to drum up a crowd and have a good old-fashioned stoning?

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spike2

Jul-15-13 9:29 AM

When should we start sending men to jail for "coveting thy neighbors wife?"I don't think the meaning is your next door neighbor. If you choose to be more "modern" we can include husbands. How do we really feel about this commandment? Talk about prison overcrowding. I imagine a "law" re: this one!

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pinecr

Jul-15-13 9:15 AM

Yes indeed, lets enforce the punishments..I have no problem with that...maybe then we will get back on track as to the kind of society we should be living in and not what we are becoming...sick, sick, sick!

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pinecr

Jul-15-13 9:14 AM

So true writer....indeed a sick society we are living in.

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JohnMBower

Jul-15-13 8:59 AM

“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” ? George Washington

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AmericanCitizen

Jul-15-13 8:53 AM

If we are going to enforce the Ten Commandments as legal statutes, surely we should also be enforcing the PUNISHMENTS God requires for breaking those commandments, should we not? (Hint: the punishment for 7 out of the 10 is "death.")

And what of the rest of the commandments? You all do realize there are over 600 of them, not just those first ten, right?

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enoughalready

Jul-15-13 8:46 AM

Seriously? Are there that many people who slept thru Civics class? It amazes me how many people think the Ten Commandments are part of the Constitution.... SMH

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philunderwood

Jul-15-13 8:36 AM

Laws based upon any religious interpretation are only meaningful to believers in that religion unless you live in a theocracy that enforces those laws. That’s not the case in America.

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MrShaman

Jul-15-13 8:34 AM

"Should we expect the Supreme Court to take *all* of the crazy ramblings of the bible and turn them into laws?" - JohnMBower

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That'd be "kind" o' difficult.

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See:

Biblical Contradictions

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MrShaman

Jul-15-13 8:31 AM

"I think Mr. Kovich was (merely) referencing what The Good Book says, in: Exodus 21:15 * Proverbs 20:20 * Leviticus 20:9"--Mr Shaman

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Some of these stoning offenses were applicable for the Israelites thousands of years ago but were not applicable after the new covenant was rolled out with Jesus Christ." - ToTEXASfromPA

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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh...so, you're saying Jesus was an agent of CHANGE, huh....what present-day Libs/Progressives would refer-to as a community-organizer, huh??

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CMReeder

Jul-15-13 8:00 AM

"....but I was amazed at his lack of understanding of the role and jurisdiction of the Supreme Court."

Some people can not separate church and state at all. They think of them as one and the same.

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