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Corruption

July 16, 2013

Corruption rises as accountability decreases and the current level of accountability for political misdeeds is all but nonexistent....

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nobud74

Jul-16-13 2:05 AM

Phil, until the electorate understands that the politicians are playing both sides against the middle just to stay in office and until they stop thinking every other pol is a bad guy except their guy there will be no progress. And, this is exactly what will fill the comments here today. Some will get it, but most will say the last guy did it so will my guy and they will say your guy is bad but my guy is good so he can be immune. Very sad.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-16-13 6:06 AM

I'll say it again. TERM LIMITS. Allow the voters to decide if WE want term limits for our representatives. I'm tired of hearing that the American people set term limits with their vote because guess what, we're doing a lousy job. Like Nobud said, it's never our guy.

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MrShaman

Jul-16-13 6:17 AM

"Political immunity has been shown to result in increased corruption." - Phil Underwood

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....But, NOTHING enhances corruption like a serious PROFIT-margin!!!!!

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MrShaman

Jul-16-13 6:25 AM

Phil, until the electorate understands that the politicians are playing both sides against the middle just to stay in office...." - nobud74

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I'd always assumed that was Porky Limbaugh's Mission Statement.

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See: "All These Crimes Where Black Thugs Kill Or Beat Up White People" Expose Liberalism

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CarlHiller

Jul-16-13 6:30 AM

"TERM LIMITS" are not the answer to corrupt politicians. Term limiting is already available - it's called "the elections". You have to remove the lobbying and their money. if you want to see the reason for any corruption in government always follow the money trail.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-16-13 6:31 AM

Wow Shaman, I was just going to comment and for the first time agree with you on your first comment, and then I read your second comment. You just can't help yourself, can you.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-16-13 6:32 AM

That's what people keep telling me Carl, but how's that working out for us? Like I said, we are doing a lousy job because voters always think it's the other guy.

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Don521

Jul-16-13 6:40 AM

And we sacrificed our young people in a war so the Arabs can have the same system. Interesting?

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-16-13 6:45 AM

According to a recent Gallup Poll three-quarters of Americans say that, given the opportunity, they would vote "for" term limits for members of both houses of Congress.

Republicans in favor: 82% Democrats in favor: 65% Independents in favor: 79%

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enigma

Jul-16-13 6:51 AM

When those in government live by different rules than those they govern, that is tyranny. Government officials should be held to a higher standard, not lower. That is also the only way we will ever get good people back in government.

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MrShaman

Jul-16-13 8:14 AM

"You have to remove the lobbying and their money. if you want to see the reason for any corruption in government always follow the money trail." - CarlHiller

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Exactly!!

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MrShaman

Jul-16-13 8:17 AM

"Wow Shaman, I was just going to comment and for the first time agree with you on your first comment, and then I read your second comment. You just can't help yourself, can you." - GysgtUSMC

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Hey...we can't very-well talk about manipulating people, without discussing the pig, in the room.

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MrShaman

Jul-16-13 8:22 AM

"That's what people keep telling me Carl, but how's that working out for us? Like I said, we are doing a lousy job because voters always think it's the other guy." - GysgtUSMC

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Maybe you need to start discussing such issues with people, OTHER-than Right-Wing voters...who, TOO-often, make excuses for people (they've been TOLD) who are considered "job creators"....as-well-as their agents/lobbyists.

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MrShaman

Jul-16-13 8:29 AM

"And we sacrificed our young people in a war so the Arabs can have the same system. Interesting?" - Don521

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Due to their (historical) limited natural-resources...folks, in the Middle East have a LONG history of being merchants.

Chances are...they were licking-their-chops...when all the "rookies" first showed-up...back in the '30s!!!!

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See:

UE News Feature: Blood and Oil - A Middle East Primer for UE Members

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MrShaman

Jul-16-13 8:34 AM

"We don't elect lawmakers, we elect American Idol contestants that promise ice cream for all." - Bobbie2

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Whew!!!! That T-Baggin'-Gridlock Class O' 2010 surely did see YOU c o m i n g!!!!!!

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CarlHiller

Jul-16-13 9:26 AM

Jeez Shammy, I about fell out of my chair when I saw we can actually agree on something. I love it.

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MrShaman

Jul-16-13 9:33 AM

"Jeez Shammy, I about fell out of my chair when I saw we can actually agree on something. I love it." - CarlHiller

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Stick with me, kid!!

I'll make you a STAR!!!!!!

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CMReeder

Jul-16-13 9:34 AM

Did Phil read the paper published or just went with a thumbnail sketch posted by one his favorite conservative writers?

They study many democracies and found that there is statutory immunities and that it has a double edge sword. It is in place to protect honest and innocent politicians but the downside is it also protects the dishonest and gives rise to more dishonesty. They found that statutory immunities had been corrupted and from it rises corruption. They also found that if the judiciary is independent and strong that corruption is minimized. Yes this is also a thumbnail sketch, a scholarly review of the paper that has yet to go through peer review.

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CMReeder

Jul-16-13 9:36 AM

Corruption in politics existed before statutory immunities.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-16-13 9:50 AM

I agree with term limits. With term limits we could actually have people who could vote for their constituents instead of along party lines.

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CMReeder

Jul-16-13 10:03 AM

Not according to the research that Phil cited. Statutory immunities for politicians makes it easier in unchecked democracies for new politicians to be involved in corruption. In others words you would not be attracting honest people into office but dishonest ones.

Term limits would not end corruption in politics, you woiuld just create a revolving door for corruption.

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CMReeder

Jul-16-13 10:06 AM

If a candidate is running under the umbrella of a party they will be working along party lines. They do not run as independents they identify with a party.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-16-13 10:27 AM

I support term limits, but here is the danger.

The system transforms into even more cronyism.

The politician who must exit due to term limits can "select" their successor...perhaps his/her chief of staff?

Then, the politician becomes the new candidate's chief of staff, effectively never relinquishing power.

The true power is in the entrenched bureaucracy, aides and surrounding political apparatus, not in the candidate.

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CMReeder

Jul-16-13 10:54 AM

"Gridlock!!! Rescued the nation from the most financially destructive congress in history."

Yeah that explains how Moody's drop the US credit rating. The gridlock is destructive financially.

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rmiller

Jul-16-13 11:03 AM

Corruption isn't a new phenomena. It has been here since the Garden of Eden. It's called sin.

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