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Ridiculous statement

July 17, 2013

I was appalled at an article in regards to Memorial Park Pool. The woman stated "If Memorial pool isn't reopened, crime will spike in that neighborhood of the city"....

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wwhickok

Jul-19-13 11:54 AM

Spike, well said. You can't make this about race. There are gangs (black, hispanic, white, etc) there are skinheads (white), their are drug dealers (black, white, hispanic, etc) and on and on and on.

It doesn't matter the crime it's not a 'race' commiting it, it's an individual. Perhaps race comes into the conversation when you're specifically talking about hate crimes and even then, you're talking about potential motive only.

Let's not stereotype and racialize the problems in Williamsport, because not just one "people" are responsible. It's coming from all directions.

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spike2

Jul-19-13 7:57 AM

erik - even if your statement is valid, "whites" feel the same way in the best of worlds and most are more fearful. I don't know what alternative universe you live in. Whites don't co-operate either. You might benefit from a talk with local police. This isn't Danville. When have you lived within the actual City of Williamsport? i am excluding the suburbs.

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wwhickok

Jul-18-13 7:33 PM

Shulski, just guessing here but outside of downtown city is massively residential aka doesn't attract tourists. On top of that, outside of reach road there is nothing on the west end they desire to invest in

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Shulski

Jul-18-13 3:05 PM

Can I remind you people that Gabe Campana gave Kohls over 2 million dollars and city services paid by taxpayers? How about the way city council works really efficiently with business to bring an economic boom to the downtown area? The city offers them grants, money and economic cooperation. So, why are the poorer areas, like the west end, being so underfunded while the downtown is booming like never before? That's a question that needs to be pondered. Don't respond unless you really think about it.

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Shulski

Jul-18-13 2:51 PM

Can I remind you people that Gabe Campana gave Kohls over 2 million dollars and city services paid by taxpayers? How about the way city council works really efficiently with business to bring an economic boom to the downtown area? The city offers them grants, money and economic cooperation. So, why are the poorer areas, like the west end, being so underfunded while the downtown is booming like never before? That's a question that needs to be pondered. Don't respond unless you really think about it.

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BornHere

Jul-18-13 1:08 PM

You tell them, "Bruiser"!!

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wwhickok

Jul-18-13 12:32 PM

-continued-

No, I'm not even saying an individual who is utilizing the benefit of Section 8 is a bad person.

But what I am saying is there are PLENTY of bad people abusing the system, too lazy to get a job and work for their money, and help their community, and pay their share of taxes.

When it comes to drug dealers and/or users(some of which I GUARANTEE are on welfare and/or section 8) they're not hurting for cash, they're dealing drugs, that is their "Job", to them anyway.

I understand the complications of Poverty all too well, but the Welfare System is a lethal venom and it is poisoning society because as many good people that may utilize it, there are twice as many criminals utilizing it.

My point is, the drug issue in Williamsport has a lot of factors, it's not going to away anyhwere near as quick as it arrived.

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wwhickok

Jul-18-13 12:28 PM

Furthermore, this isn't about race, it's this simple, I don't care if you're white, black, or neon green, I don't care if it's your son, your brother, or your worst enemy, if someone commits a crime they deserve the consequences. They don't deserve to be protected by you or anyone else. The rest of the city, the good people in the city, deserve better than a community of people protecting criminals. If they're willing to hide and harbor the identity of criminals they should also be treated like criminals and locked up as an accomplice because that is basically what they are.

Here's another problem in this city. Many of us have complained about the rent prices. You know who doesn't care about the rent prices?

The individuals mooching off of Welfare, Section 8, and Dealing drugs. They're not hurting for cash because they don't truly have to pay for anything, including their crimes.

No, I'm not saying anyone who accesses the benefits of Welfare is a bad person.

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wwhickok

Jul-18-13 12:24 PM

I'm not about to make the decision of a community to chant "we don't talk to cops" a politically motivated issue. That is pure and simple an individual in their neighborhood, probably someone they consider dear to them, shot and killed someone else and even though it makes them just as guilty as the guy who pulled the trigger for not doing the right thing and turning him in, they chose to side with the murderer and deny the police the help to seek justice.

That's a major problem in this city, there's too many people who are willing to protect criminals and not enough who are willing to stand up to them.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-17-13 7:58 PM

Trayvon Martin demonstrated how blacks view anyone white or hispanic.......with distrust.

With most white racism relegated to the dark corners of our country, we have taught black children to despise and mistrust the white man.

Had Trayvon not had a chip in his shoulder, from years of white=bad indoctrination, he would not have attacked George Zimmerman that night.

Had various Williamsport blacks not believed the liberal line of "distrust the establishment", they would not chant "We don't talk to the police." after a murder of a young black man.

Community watch works great until an event happens that liberal hope to capitalize upon......like Zimmerman/Martin.

Liberals love to side with lawbreakers.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-17-13 4:53 PM

Jerry, I agree. I think she just had problems expressing her feelings/opinions in words. This is evident by the fact that she also stated she was willing to go out and confront these trouble makers head on. If she was threatening violence in anyway she wouldn't have even made that statement. I think the feeling of many in the neighborhood is, the kids aren't causing the problems, so don't punish them by closing the pool. I'm also sure they know who is causing the problems and it's up to them if they want to work with police to resolve it. I wish them the best.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-17-13 4:29 PM

"Could that woman's statement about crime spiking if Memorial Pool isn't re-opened be an thinly veiled threat or even an extension of "No Justice, No Peace"?"

I streamed 90 minutes of live video from the June 22nd protest led my Irish and I'm going to say that, having listened to her speak at length on this issue, the answer to the above questions is no.

Find me on Twitter to watch the video for yourself.

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WeThePeople

Jul-17-13 4:20 PM

GysgtUSMC Thanks again, I checked the website, gave me answers to my questions. I downloaded the reporting form. Now I need to walk around my neighborhood and see if anyone else is interested in the watch. I would recommend others who are reading this also go to the Williamsport Police website as GysgtUSMC has suggested I never knew this info was there....

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WeThePeople

Jul-17-13 3:00 PM

OK thank you GysgtUSMC I will check it out....

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-17-13 2:51 PM

Wethepeople you can get information about the neighborhood watch program on the Williamsport Police website. I have been advocating the program for awhile now. I was involved in one in my neighborhood when I lived in MD and we started the program because we were having problems with people coming from other neighborhoods and causing problems and selling drugs. Once we got organized and started being visible and worked with the local police, we eliminated the problems. The key is max participation and organization so you have the entire neighborhood covered.

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WeThePeople

Jul-17-13 1:42 PM

Wwhickok:“Neighborhood Watch Groups being more "out there" to people about there existence for individuals that want to be involved would be one good step.” Just curious, are there still any Neighborhood Watch Groups in Williamsport?? I never hear about them anymore, didn't they used to actually walk around in their neighborhood in groups?? Not sure what they may be taught by local LEO’s as to how to handle a situation they might come upon, or what should they be “allowed” to carry for self defense, if that becomes an issue?? If you have a CCP should you carry while out on a watch? Maybe if a LEO is reading maybe they can give some answers/tips. I would like to be involved with a Neighborhood Watch Group in my part of town, but never hear of it anymore??

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wwhickok

Jul-17-13 1:12 PM

That's sort of a mixed single Rick by great do you mean rich or just genuinely good? It's not always the same thing.

If you grew up in the 'good' type of home you're describing one would thing you would have more faith in people.

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rick424

Jul-17-13 12:55 PM

Grew up in an excellent home, great parents who believed in their children and what they can do. It was always the old people out and about. The "Oh woe is me crowd"

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wwhickok

Jul-17-13 12:30 PM

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control. Fight back and stand up for your community and your city. That's how you grasp the attention of the youth. That's how you guide them. That's how you pave the way for the future I believe we all really want for each other.

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wwhickok

Jul-17-13 12:27 PM

As far as the "the youth of today are no good" comment you made Rick, people who say that are also PART OF THE PROBLEM. The youth of today are our future, for our sake they better be good and should strive for greatness but they won't do it alone. They need guidance and even the most misguided of children can change but not without help and strong leadership.

The youth of today is different. Sure there are those who will be too far gone to help but they are in a minority. The mass of our youth can be guided in the right direction however not without the help of people willing to lead them and when necessary pick them up and carry them forward.

I may not be strong with God but I can tell you this, the most important thing e can believe in for our future is each other. No one can do it alone. Rise to the Challenge, Rise Above the hate, the ridicule, the violence, and the drugs. Make those who wish to destroy this city know and understand it isn't theirs to destroy or contro

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bornandraised

Jul-17-13 12:20 PM

If you open it back up, all you will be doing is making more of a gathering place for groups of people that don't get along. That will increase crime because they will have to prove something to everyone, and to claim their turf.

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bornandraised

Jul-17-13 12:17 PM

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-17-13 11:49 AM

rick424, I guess it depended on whose house you grew up in. I never heard "the youth of today are no good" We were always told the youth had so many more opportunities than they had in thier day, and with hard work and percieverance <sp> we could do anything. I tell my Grands that now.As far as thinking we turned out ok now, did you miss the exodus of jobs, record forclosures, stock market crash, mass shootings,huge defecits, etc, etc.? You think we're doing ok?

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wwhickok

Jul-17-13 11:48 AM

Rick it's obvious you're one of those good ol' boys who think they're better than everyone else and that truly believes there are no problems.

No one said this was the end of the country. I was that youth? No, I didn't sell or use drugs and shoot people to get my next hit.

Wake up Rick, denying the need for change isn't going to Change anything at all.

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rick424

Jul-17-13 11:24 AM

Same old argument. I heard it a million times growing up. How the youth of today are no good. This is the end of the country. Yada yada yada. Quess what? Most of you are that youth and we survived just fine.

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