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July 18, 2013

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems incredibly self-evident to me that laws rightly govern behavior, not thought....

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richardson

Jul-18-13 2:37 AM

I think "Stand your ground" worked the way it is supposed to for Zimmerman who, while being attacked and pummeled and fearing for his own life ended the assault.

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Ritty77

Jul-18-13 4:25 AM

"If people are so incredibly willing to violate the speed limit, it's a wonder that they don't toss nearly all laws aside."

No, it's not. People are capable of exceeding the speed limit without thinking murder is OK too.

Also, the "Stand Your Ground" law played no part in the Zimmerman trial. For one thing, Zimmerman had no choice but to stand his ground when the option to flee was taken away by Martin.

This letter is poorly written, with unnecessary repetition and false premises. Liberals like Stanley like to tell themselves how intelligent and informed they are, then they express themselves and expose that delusion for all to see.

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Premier

Jul-18-13 5:13 AM

While Travon Martins death was tragic I can't help but wonder how that case has affected violent crime in Florida. Repeal "Stand your ground"? I say what until data is compiled. It might actually save lives.

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gavinf56

Jul-18-13 5:20 AM

I am not a lawyer but, George Zimmerman did not use the "Stand you ground law" as part of his defense.

His defense was that he was being attacked and feared for his life, claiming "self defense".

You can eliminate all of the "stand your ground" laws that you want, self defense would still be legal and George Zimmerman would still be not guilty.

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Garben78

Jul-18-13 5:25 AM

It appears to me to have worked quite efficiently. Too bad Zimmerman wasn't available the other night here in Williamsport when the peeping Tom was arrested maybe it would've saved jail space

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VinceKnauff

Jul-18-13 5:43 AM

Stanley is obviously not a lawyer because he argued a point that was not part of the Zimmerman case. He must have been listening to the Liberal echo chamber by bringing up Stand Your Ground even though Zimmerman never cited it during the trial.

Perhaps Stanley should make himself familiar with the novel idea of self-defense being a justifiable reason to take another life. Funny how Liberals can't understand that simple concept.

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VinceKnauff

Jul-18-13 5:45 AM

The first point of Stan's letter made clear the difference between knowing the difference between right and wrong and actually following those distinctions in living your life.

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Premier

Jul-18-13 6:13 AM

It wasn't like Zimmerman shot him from 20 feet away while in an ally with no exit. Travon was on top of him pounding him with his fist when he was shot. All the evidence pointed out that Zimmerman was telling the truth.

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idiottwo

Jul-18-13 6:47 AM

when our tops leaders can't obey laws, skirt the truth and misdirect, maybe its a symptom of a change in our culture. I say, not a good change.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-18-13 7:46 AM

So now the DOJ has set up an email address for the public to write in tips to help bring civil rights charges against Zimmerman. Where does it end. The FBI already did an extensive investigation over a year ago and found no basis to bring federal charges. Now the DOJ is eliciting "tips" from the public. I would like to know how they are going to be able to confirm these "tips" as facts. The judge in the case did not allow the prosecution to bring race into the trial because there were absolutely no facts to support the charge. Yet the DOJ still wishes to elevate racial tensions. It is nothing short of abuse of power in my opinion and one more reason for Holder to go.

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SteelerFan

Jul-18-13 8:20 AM

Gotta remember Gunny, we've got a leftist political activist as the Attorney General

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JohnZook

Jul-18-13 8:41 AM

Idiottwo- Not so much an idiot. The President and his cohorts have demonstrated the law is only for certain people, including which race you are.

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DavidBross

Jul-18-13 11:03 AM

"I am not a lawyer but, George Zimmerman did not use the "Stand you ground law" as part of his defense." Actually, they did. His lawyers didn't bring it up in the trial because they didn't want to have to discuss it. But, they knew the judge was legally required to use it in her instructions to the jury. Also, while I agree that once Zimmerman was found not guilty, that should be the end of his legal problems in this case, how many of you felt the same way when Simpson was found not guilty but still faced civil charges? I thought it was wrong, even thought I think he got away with murder.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-18-13 11:15 AM

David, I don't have a problem with the family bringing civil charges, that is their right. What I do have a problem with is Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, in conjunction with Holder and the DOJ, pushing their political agendas by going on a witch hunt to bring federal charges against Zimmerman. The FBI and Florida authorities found nothing that could justify classifying this as a hate crime, yet the DOJ is allowing the criminal justice system to be manipulated and they are over stepping their authority.

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CMReeder

Jul-18-13 11:24 AM

Good letter and well thought out.

Zimmerman placed himself in danger. From accounts Martin thought he was in danger. Apparently the thinking is that 'stand your ground' only applies to those who have the gun. If you do not have a gun you must take flight.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-18-13 11:43 AM

The Tampa Bay Times analyzed 192 of Florida’s adjudicated Stand Your Ground cases and found that:

Overall, black defendants went free 66 percent of the time in fatal cases compared to 61 percent for white defendants — a difference explained, in part, by the fact blacks were more likely to kill another black.

People who killed a black person walked free 73 percent of the time, while those who killed a white person went free 59 percent of the time.

Whites who invoked the law were charged at the same rate as blacks.

Whites who went to trial were convicted at the same rate as blacks.

In mixed-race cases involving fatalities, the outcomes were similar. Four of the five blacks who killed a white went free; five of the six whites who killed a black went free.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-18-13 11:46 AM

Where was Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Eric Holder for all those cases mentioned below?

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Shulski

Jul-18-13 12:10 PM

It's like that bumpersticker, "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." -Tacitus. This was a thought provoking and well supported argument. I wasn't charged with partisanship. Writers to the Sun-Gazette, myself included, could learn a thing or two from this articles style and non-partisanship.

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CMReeder

Jul-18-13 12:31 PM

"All told, 119 people are known to have killed someone and invoked stand your ground. Those people have been arrested 327 times in incidents involving violence, property crimes, drugs, weapons or probation violations. That does not include more than 100 traffic violations and other minor arrests not considered in the analysis."

This is from the same Tampa Bay article you cited.

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CMReeder

Jul-18-13 12:33 PM

Travis Smiley issue this question, 'Where is the NRA stating that Trayvon Martin would be alive today if he was carrying a gun?'

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gavinf56

Jul-18-13 12:40 PM

Bottom line, who was attacking who and who felt their life was being threatened and defended themself?

Everything else is just noise.

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VinceKnauff

Jul-18-13 12:45 PM

Travis Smiley issue this question, 'Where is the NRA stating that Trayvon Martin would be alive today if he was carrying a gun?'

You misunderstand what the NRA stands for. They do not advocate the using of guns in criminal activity.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-18-13 12:50 PM

Rachel Jeantel, the prosecution's star witness, just told a reporter that she believes Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.

She said, why would he tell me he needs to call me back unless he was going to take matters into his own hands?

Liberals must love egg on their faces!

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VinceKnauff

Jul-18-13 12:52 PM

Travis Smiley issue this question, 'Where is the NRA stating that Trayvon Martin would be alive today if he was carrying a gun?'

Where are the peaceniks stating that Trayvon would be alive today if he didn't try to beat the crap out of Zimmerman?

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CMReeder

Jul-18-13 1:15 PM

Who was the criminal Vince?

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