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Hydrogeologist: Wells won’t go dry if water withdrawal center opens

July 18, 2013

Well water surrounding a proposed water withdrawal site in Old Lycoming Township will not be adversely impacted now or in the future, experts said Wednesday night....

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Jul-23-13 10:51 AM

Come to the Pine Creek valley is you want to see exactly what the gas industry is doing to our beautiful area..and erik...really water recycling, then why can I count 40+ water trucks at any given time in a row on the creek road?

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Jul-19-13 2:14 PM

Yes we are still remembering names of those past like a lady named bloom who has done nothing but ruin our kids life's long before big gas got here

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Jul-19-13 11:05 AM

Thanks Texas.

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Jul-18-13 9:24 PM

BornHere, looks like Erik answered your question on the water treating.

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Jul-18-13 9:18 PM

"can you explain to me please what is "Waterless Fracking" that is being used" --BornHere


Sorry for the late reply; I don't leave work until 7 CDT. I don't have any first hand knowledge with it but what I have read is that the use propane/butane instead of water to carry the sand. I would suspect there are some challenges with somehow increasing the viscosity to carry the sand so it doesn't settle out too easily and it has to be stored under pressure on the surface.

At one of my former employers, we fracked some wells with what we called a condensate-emulsion in the late 70's. We used condensate that was produced from gas wells; it is a little higher molecular weight than the propane/butane mixture. Even though these fracs achieved higher production rates, we felt that the potential fire or explosion that could result was not worth the risk to the people on location operating the frac equipment.

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Jul-18-13 8:02 PM


The antis use outdated information to create fear.

Advancements in drilling are accelerating.

I am fascinated with the use of steam in old, dry wells to release additional oil. It has brought new life to old wells.

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Jul-18-13 7:09 PM

Born here, we have been doing that here for quite some time. Most companies try to recycle/reuse all their flowback. Many are now doing it right on the frac. It's cost effective to filter onsite and reuse it, rather then transporting it to a third party location for filtering only to have to pick it up and deliver to a frac later

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Jul-18-13 5:59 PM

I keep losing my internet service, thank you Erik for answering my questions.

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Jul-18-13 5:41 PM

It doesn't even need to be an issue of the wells "going dry". At my house, if the toilet flush valve hangs open and that little bit of water runs for like 12 hours, my water starts to get cloudy. And that's a whole lot less water than we're talking here. I am all for the gas industry being here, but we do need watchdogs to make them comply. And really, why would they even contemplate a well for this use in a residential/light comercial neighborhood in the first place. Get your water elsewhere.

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Jul-18-13 1:03 PM


waterless tracking is fairly new and unproven. The industry would love to use less or no water, so lots of R&D money is going into this.

GE just announced that they are getting involved and will research alternative tracking processes.

water is nearly 100% recycled here as well. Sometimes, it must be done off-site to handle the nastier salts and radioactive materials that Mother Earth gives to us from deep down.

we will have waterless tracking and/or 100% recycled water long before green energy becomes economically competitive with hydrocarbon sources.

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Jul-18-13 10:51 AM

Texas another question for you. I have seen trailer mounted systems that are brought to the job sites to treat frack water so it can be reused again in Wyoming last year, which would save on water withdraw.

Why is that process not being used here?

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Jul-18-13 10:20 AM

What happened to the stepping stone to green renewable energies that this gas was suppose to bring. Instead we have Erik telling us drilling is here to stay. Looks like again we are we're told a line. Beware people in this area.

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Jul-18-13 9:57 AM

Texas.. can you explain to me please what is "Waterless Fracking" that is being used in Texas now, I know that the industry has tried it in Wyoming.

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Jul-18-13 9:54 AM

In other news, the Devonian shale has been successfully fracked, providing a third shale layer of energy in our area, ensuring drilling will be here far beyond the lives of the anti-domestic energy liars.

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Jul-18-13 9:09 AM

As always, the gas industry brings some flunky in to sell the locals a bill of goods and then when their wells run dry the gas industry will say it wasn't because of them, just like Cabot ruining the wells in Dimmock and then saying, hey even though your wells were perfectly fine for the last 50 years, just because we moved into the area and now there is methane in your wells, it wasn't us....if the Township cared about its people, they would send this company packing!

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Jul-18-13 7:10 AM

Remember all these people's names so you can remember who it was who sold your kid's futures down the toilet.

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Jul-18-13 6:31 AM

Studies are good but they may or may not predict all the real world conditions that can occur, especially with recharge in drought or wet conditions. And if a dime from the gas companies is used to directly or indirectly pay for the study, some will not believe the results.

Maybe the best way to ensure no one loses their water supply is to consider supplemental water level monitors be installed or a separate monitoring well such that withdrawal rates could be reduced if static water levels start falling. The lower the static level, the lower the withdrawal rate.

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Jul-18-13 6:21 AM

You are spot on Carl!...the township needs to hire their own "expert"....Traditionally..this township has folded under pressure...

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Jul-18-13 5:41 AM

So the gas industry hires a hydro-geologist Doug Cwienk, of GeoServices Ltd. to soothe the locals fear of losing their source of water. He then goes on to detail a formula that supposedly proves that there is more than enough water, personally I don't buy it. Hire an independent that hasn't been tainted by gas money rather than bringing in an individual who works for a company that does extensive work for the gas industry. Something smells on this one.

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