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Heroin battle plan worth pursuing – and needs to work

July 21, 2013

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-21-13 7:33 AM

I have no problem with this initiative if it concentrates it's resources and efforts on the traffickers. I do however, have a problem if they are going to sweep up the addicts and throw them in an already overcrowded corrections facility. That end of the snake needs to be resolved by offering rehabilitation to fight the disease of addiction. In the war on drugs, not enough emphasis was placed on fighting the addiction and too much emphasis was given to throw addicts in jail. You will never sentence anyone to sobriety and with addiction comes crime. Work on treating the addiction problem, and crime and prison overcrowding will also lessen.

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CaveFelem

Jul-21-13 8:35 AM

GysgtUSMC is exactly right. We need to address the addiction problem, and why people are buying this junk in the first place.

And then there's the Philadelphia criminal issue. The Scott Street shooting last night has a Philadelphia connection (big surprise). If something isn't done soon, we are going to have a huge problem with Philly drug gangs terrorizing Williamsport and the surrounding areas. What needs to be done is wholly unconstitutional: round them up and send them back, and then don't let them back in.

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spike2

Jul-21-13 9:03 AM

I agree with Gysgt and Cave completely. If we need to put more money in rehabilitation, methadone clinics, drug and Alcohol treatment for city and county residents, so be it. Arresting users changes NOTHING. The mayor is in denial. the D.A. is only addressing law enforcement. It is time to get every agency together on one page and start a multi--faceted approach.

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MrShaman

Jul-22-13 5:54 AM

"That end of the snake needs to be resolved by offering rehabilitation to fight the disease of addiction." - GysgtUSMC

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C'mon...you know, better than that...or, SHOULD know!!!

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See:

President Bush Has Made Afghanistan Safe Once Again For Opium Production

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wwhickok

Jul-22-13 9:31 AM

I agree with you all 100% Furthermore, what good does it do to put these individuals within the walls of the city they committed their crimes in? What good does it do to 'add them' back to civilization in the same population after a 'slap on the wrist sentence' which seems to be what these individuals are getting the majority of the time.

I'm not saying I think it's good to 'push the problem to someone else' though I do think the ones that came from Philly need to be sent back to Philly, but what is the answer to this? I admit I don't have it, but it's certainly not 'recycling the garbage'.

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MrShaman

Jul-24-13 8:51 AM

GysgtUSMC is exactly right. We need to address the addiction problem, and why people are buying this junk in the first place." - CaveFelem

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Everyone I've known (and, I've known quite-a-few...having been 18, in '68) who'd developed a chemical-dependence (and, it's the SAME thing with overweight-people & FOOD), had long-term emotional-problems, LONG before the drugs (including alcohol) came-along. Typically, they ALL started with alcohol.

People are gonna self-"medicate" with WHATEVER works, best, for them...and, from what I understand, h e r o i n IS "the best". Some people are simply "hurting", worse than others.

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MrShaman

Jul-24-13 8:55 AM

"What good does it do to 'add them' back to civilization in the same population after a 'slap on the wrist sentence' which seems to be what these individuals are getting the majority of the time." - wwhickok

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You actually believe most Americans are willing to finance the (badly-needed) psychological-therapy these people require???

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-24-13 5:45 PM

Shaman I agree that it will cost money but look at the billions and billions of dollars we are spending on locking up everyone from the addicts to the traffickers. I would think they could come up with new policy and divert a portion of that money to treatment and I would start with mandatory treatment for those already in the criminal justice system, including those on parole and probation. I would also include mandatory physiological counseling and education and training. Heck if we could get the success rate to even 25 or 30% that would have a huge impact on crime and prison population.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-24-13 5:46 PM

That should be psychological

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Newberry22

Jul-24-13 8:02 PM

I think the city's plan is a great start. I agree with parts of what y'all are saying but the bottom line is the addicts are criminals too. Like it or not drugs are illegal. I say arrest all of them, the users and the sellers. As a matter of fact, arrest the user, and flip him on the seller. Addiction can only be resolved if the addict wants help and has the means to get it. Make the help easier to find. Maybe packets could be made up by Lycoming County and passed out the addicts when they are arrested. The arrest may give the addict the wake up call he needs.

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MrShaman

Jul-25-13 8:23 AM

"Shaman I agree that it will cost money but look at the billions and billions of dollars we are spending on locking up everyone from the addicts to the traffickers." - GysgtUSMC

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AGREED...but, what we're talking-about is long-term-inve$ting...for Future's sake.

Unfortunately, too-many people (in this Country) have no patience for long-term inve$ting; education being one. With all the short-term cash that can be realized on Wall Street...too-many people think ALL things should be as "convenient"...'cause, that's what we ARE discussing, here; convenience vs. maturity/discipline.

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MrShaman

Jul-25-13 8:29 AM

"I think the city's plan is a great start. I agree with parts of what y'all are saying but the bottom line is the addicts are criminals too. Like it or not drugs are illegal. I say arrest all of them, the users and the sellers." - Newberry22

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Yeah...we've heard all that, before...

"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too." - Rush Limbaugh, Oct. 5, 1995

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