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What happens next?

July 21, 2013

With the Zimmerman trial now over and with Zimmerman having been found not guilty, what happens next? I may sound naive to many people who will be reading this, but my feelings are as follows: It is......

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pinecr

Jul-23-13 10:37 AM

They are going after Zimmerman in a civil trial because Obama sent his lead guy into see that this is turned into a racial issue just to give Obama one more racial leg to stand on...now he wants justice even though Zimmerman was found innocent...this is crap any way you look at it.

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wwhickok

Jul-23-13 6:40 AM

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then maybe he'd still be alive today. I'm not saying Zimmerman is not the slightest bit guilty, but from what I understand of the trial, right or wrong, Martin attacked HIM not the other way around.

We may never know exactly what happened that night, but perhaps if the Martin's would've done something different, Trayvon would've been somewhere different.

The same can be said for Zimmerman.

The same can be said for all these "thugs" in Williamsport.

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wwhickok

Jul-23-13 6:38 AM

What's suspicious about a black teen walking the streets?

Nothing.

What was suspicious about Trayvon Martin? Clearly something. First of all, I didn't watch the trial, my guess and belief is that there is some sort of history between these two individuals, it is 'semi-common knowledge' that the cell phone evidence that was thrown out had texts relating to drugs and guns. Something tells me Martin wasn't your 'average good guy citizen'.

It's offensive that I said the parents are at fault? Let me explain that comment. The actions of a child, in large part, can be related to the way they are raised, so your point about Zimmerman may be fair, but at the same time, if the the Martin's raised their child to act like a thug, and he acted like a thug, well..there you go. He was raised to put himself in these situations.

Perhaps if he were raised differently, raised to know enough to just avoid these situations and not 'fall into these traps' as you seem to say it is Lazy,

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CitizenQ

Jul-22-13 8:11 PM

Mr. Hayes, you seem to be chastising people making an assumption that this teen was suspicious. Yet you made an assumption on a statement I made about some missing minutes and labeled me a racist for my thoughts. You posted: “Well, he was a black teenager, so he must have been out robbing old ladies and selling crack, right CQ? That seems to be what you're saying.” You don’t know my heart or my thoughts but you ASSUMED! You didn’t ask me my thoughts. You appear to have found me suspicious of racism. I guess you hold yourself to different standards? The prosecution made an issue that it was dark and rainy and Martin was just trying to get home to finish watching a game. Therefore, I was just curious why nearly half an hour was missing from when he left the store to when he got to the development. If he’d gone straight home that night, the timeline would have excluded a meeting with GZ and none of this speculation would be necessary. And Martin would still be alive today.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-22-13 5:18 PM

CHayes may I suggest you Google the Wikipedia page for the shooting of Travon Martin. I watched the entire trial and I learned things that weren't covered in the trial. It's lengthy but a good read. Did you know Zimmerman passed a lie detector test?

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CHayes

Jul-22-13 1:07 PM

And STILL nobody can bring themselves to say what exactly was "suspicious" about a teenager walking home from the market with some candy and a drink.

I live on a street between a school, and a couple small stores. I see teenagers walk by all the time with candy and drinks, yet I've never really had the urge to stalk and kill one.

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CHayes

Jul-22-13 1:02 PM

" It's coming from Trayvon's parents as well. They failed as a parent and it resulted in their childs death"

What an offensive comment. It's.like blaming the parents of a child that was molested, for the molestation.

Yes if they had only trained their child from a young age not to give in to the cheap temptations of Skittles fruit chews, and iced tea, none of this would have happened.

What about the Zimmerman family? Zimmerman's own brother has made OUTRAGEOUSLY racist statements through social media, and on TV. You suppose the Zimmerman boys were raised by the same parents? One of the makesracist statements publicly, the other goes out hunting black teens.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-22-13 8:25 AM

"walking home to his dad's house from the store."--CHayes

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I guess home is where you put your head on a pillow!! The house/home was owned by Trayvon's father's fiancée.

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wwhickok

Jul-22-13 6:28 AM

Here's my entire problem with the aftermath of the Zimmerman trial.

The people out in the streets, the majority of which are minorities, picketing and rioting as a result of the verdict are PATHETIC. ANYTIME a minority doesn't get their way, it's because of racism. It's coming from Trayvon's parents as well. They failed as a parent and it resulted in their childs death, so it must be racism.

But you don't see anyone crying racism when a minority walks free after murdering his White Wife and her 'lover' for example do you?

Why? because this country is becoming more and more controlled by the fear of a 'racism cry'.

Justice was served in the Zimmerman trial to an extent, but to an extent, they were both guilty.

The minorities rioting in the streets, they're not honoring Martin, they're disgracing themselves. Is the Justice system racist? Perhaps, but that's not what happened here. A thug made a bad choice and paid with it for his life.

Your "racist" card

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-22-13 5:11 AM

But back in 2004 Illinois state SENATOR BARACK OBAMA CO-SPONSORED legislation expanding the state’s Stand Your Ground laws. (Illinois Review reported)

THAT is priceless! LoL!

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USABorn

Jul-22-13 4:25 AM

CHayes - 10:05 PM

"Sure Ritty. This is quite simple to clear up then. Simply tell us what is "suspicious" about a good looking 17 year old kid walking to his dad's house from the store."

If Martin had been a "good looking 17 year old kid just walking to his dad's," the death wouldn't have happened. Instead he was a tough looking THUG type looking for trouble! His photo at 17 could have been entered in a "Thug of the Year Contest."

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USABorn

Jul-22-13 4:19 AM

GysgtUSMC - 7:25 PM

"Oh and btw, PA is one of the 23 states that also has a stand your ground law, but I hear no one questioning why our own state has this same legislation."

Guess who else has it?

On Friday BARACK OBAMA called for a review of the controversial Stand Your Ground laws that were at the heart of the killing of Trayvon Martin.

But back in 2004 Illinois state SENATOR BARACK OBAMA CO-SPONSORED legislation expanding the state’s Stand Your Ground laws. (Illinois Review reported)

The bill unanimously passed the DEMOCRAT-CONTROLLED Illinois Senate on March 25, 2004 with only one comment, and passed the DEMOCRAT- CONTROLLED Illinois House in May 2004 with only two votes in opposition.

OBAMA, Hypocrit-in-Chief!

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CHayes

Jul-21-13 11:15 PM

"I'll reserve my comments to the facts."

I'm pretty sure that when I ask you the questions I just asked, the ones you can't seem to answer, I'm talking EXACTLY about "facts".

What's the matter? They didn't cover that material in the talking points mailer the NRA sent you?

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CHayes

Jul-21-13 11:13 PM

So, to be clear, you simply can't answer the very basic question, "what was suspicious about Trayvon Martin on the night he was murdered"?

You really have no clue at all about what was "suspicious" about him?

You have no idea why the "Stand Your Ground" law applied to Zimmerman, but NOT Martin?

No answers?

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Ritty77

Jul-21-13 10:51 PM

I'll let you handle your own never-ending straw men and suppositions, chayes. I'll reserve my comments to the facts.

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CHayes

Jul-21-13 10:05 PM

""First off Chuck, other than MSNBC's altered tape, there is absolutely no evidence that George Zimmerman racially profiled Treyvon. None. Nada. Zilch. Zero."

That's true, Gavin. Had there been any, the prosecution would have used it to strongly rebut GZ's claim of self-defense."

Sure Ritty. This is quite simple to clear up then. Simply tell us what is "suspicious" about a good looking 17 year old kid walking to his dad's house from the store.

Please, tell me what's "suspicious" about that.

Maybe he was juggling a crack pipe, and a bag of Skittles fruit chews? Maybe he was wearing a t shirt that said "Crip 4 Life"? Maybe he was visibly inebriated? Carrying a pry bar? Walking on people's lawns and peering in their windows? Running down the street carrying a TV?

What could it have possibly been?

Are you people REALLY that ignorant to the world around you?

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CHayes

Jul-21-13 9:59 PM

"Of all the young black shooting victims in this country, you can name 1. Because you've been trained like a circus seal to bark on command. 18 different 17 y/o black males shot dead in Chicago since 2/16/12. You don't know their names because they don't serve a political end."

So the media is all over this case "to serve a political end"? So then Fox News hasn't covered it?

The reason the media is all over it, is because a minor was shot and killed by an adult, who used an EXTRAORDINARILY controversial law to try and escape justice for his act. It also was newsworthy, because the only plausible reason that the kid was stalked and killed by the nut case, was his complexion. I mean, Gavin, you still can't come up with a single reason that someone would have found this kid "suspicious", since there isn't really anything "suspicious" about a good looking 17 year old kid walking home to his dad's house from the store.

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CHayes

Jul-21-13 9:52 PM

"Another example of how ignorant the left is. Of all the "Stand your ground" cases in FL. 33% involved African Americans defending themselves"

Funny. You should tell that to the black woman, who had no criminal record, that was sentenced to 20 years about this time last year, for firing a single warning shot into a wall, to dissuade her husband, that she had an order of protection against, from assaulting her in her home.

She should be easy enough to find. She's in state prison in FL tonight as we're discussing this.

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CHayes

Jul-21-13 9:49 PM

"Maybe Florida should allow 17 yr olds to carry a concealed handgun upon passing approved classes/certifications."

Considering that FL's laws seem to allow anyone to stalk and kill anyone they feel like, so long as they make sure to dispose of witnesses, perhaps they shouldn't just ALLOW 17 year olds to carry, but they should also issue them the guns.

And again, there is NOTHING in the current FL law, that would prevent ANYONE from walking up to George Zimmerman in the street, and unloading a shotgun in his face. All they have to do, is say they "felt threatened", and that the guy is a known killer. No harm no foul.

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CHayes

Jul-21-13 9:44 PM

" Pa prosecutors were questioned regarding how the outcome would be if this cade happened in PA, and the consensus was, even though Travon was not carrying a weapon, a reasonable person could have believed their life was in jeopardy if they sustained the injuries that Zimmerman portrayed."

Question Gunny. You're walking down a dark street minding your own business, and a total stranger is stalking you in a vehicle for no apparent reason. Then they stop the vehicle, and approach you. You don't feel threatened by that?

I have yet to have anyone explain to me why FL's "stand your ground" law didn't apply to Trayvon Martin. It sounds like PA's law would have vindicated Martin, if he had beaten George Zimmerman to death.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-21-13 8:28 PM

"and ultimately murder the kid?"-- CHayes

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Zimmerman admitted to killing Trayvon. He was acquitted for murder/manslaughter since there was a lack of evidence. Don't distort the situation.

Maybe Florida should allow 17 yr olds to carry a concealed handgun upon passing approved classes/certifications.

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Ritty77

Jul-21-13 8:05 PM

"First off Chuck, other than MSNBC's altered tape, there is absolutely no evidence that George Zimmerman racially profiled Treyvon. None. Nada. Zilch. Zero."

That's true, Gavin. Had there been any, the prosecution would have used it to strongly rebut GZ's claim of self-defense.

If evidence is found, Federal charges can be filed, but that seems unlikely now. Contrarily, there are facts that suggest GZ had no problem with people of color: recent ancestors are Black and Hispanic, aiding Blacks in the community, dated a Black girl, etc.

There are no winners in this case, save for the jury that examined only the facts of the case, not the opinions of biased individuals.

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Premier

Jul-21-13 7:42 PM

And what about those "stand your ground" figures I posted that debunked your assumption?

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Premier

Jul-21-13 7:40 PM

"Murder" Mr. Hayes? Boy you just keep sticking your foot in your mouth don't you?

Why don't you look up the definition of the word. I believe you'll find the words malice and premeditated all of which do not fit this case.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-21-13 7:25 PM

Oh and btw, PA is one of the 23 states that also has a stand your ground law, but I hear no one questioning why our own state has this same legislation. In fact, our law was created as a result of Florida's law, but there are two distinct differences. The first being that if you are outside your home you have to clearly see that the threat has a weapon that could inflict great bodily harm or death, and the second being, is if you are not found to be criminally responsible, you are protected from civil litigation. Pa prosecutors were questioned regarding how the outcome would be if this cade happened in PA, and the consensus was, even though Travon was not carrying a weapon, a reasonable person could have believed their life was in jeopardy if they sustained the injuries that Zimmerman portrayed.

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