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July 22, 2013

While exchanging words with the resident libertarian has been interesting I think that Mr....

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DavidBross

Jul-24-13 8:51 AM

I think that England, Germany, France, and Japan would be good examples of prosperous socialist democracies.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-23-13 4:49 PM

Doesn't anyone wonder why there are so many present day prosperous socialist democracies that can be pointed to as examples and yet the best anyone can come up with for a successful libertarian society evolved into something else more than a century ago?

Why is it that in all of recorded history that mankind just has not been able to make work a lasting libertarian society?

PS: If your answer involves pointing out the flaws and failings of social democracies either past or present, then you have missed the point.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-23-13 4:40 PM

@GysgtUSMC

The question of direction is an interesting one. I think most folks would say the answer is that the country is heading down the wrong path. Of course, depending on one's own point of view, it's the other guy's party dragging down the county.

So, if the decision is whom to follow, either Team Enigma who would repeal the 19th amendment and take away a woman's right to vote, or Team Liberal, who believe everyone should have a say in our democracy, then I unapologetically choose team liberal.

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DavidBross

Jul-23-13 10:20 AM

Erik, I forgot to thank you for providing examples. They really do help flesh out statements of policy, belief, philosophy and the like.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-23-13 7:48 AM

"Working under the assumption that you consider me a liberal, how is it that you figure that I came to embrace liberalism? Do you figure that I was born this way? Or that I learned it?"

Jerry I don't know you and while I don't agree with a lot of your positions, I wouldn't fathom to guess why you are a liberal. However, liberal thinking does support big government "taking care" of it's flock, so I'm pretty confident in saying I know why a lot of people chose to be liberals and that number is growing everyday. I also think that since the majority of main stream media leans left, and this is where so many rely in their information and how the country should operate, then of course they may choose to be "liberal". The path this country is on, I don't see GOP leadership in the future any time soon. Now ask yourself... is this country really going down a good path? My answer is a definite NO.

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wwhickok

Jul-23-13 7:41 AM

Reading these letters breaks my heart...I'm soon going to live in the same borough as this guy...ugh..

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DavidBross

Jul-23-13 6:23 AM

Bobbie2: I was thinking of countries like Germany, France, England, Japan. Countries that have 1st world economies. I should have said so.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-23-13 6:22 AM

"Let's just say that liberal thinking is very feminine. " --enigma

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Working under the assumption that you consider me a liberal, how is it that you figure that I came to embrace liberalism? Do you figure that I was born this way? Or that I learned it?

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JerryfromRI

Jul-23-13 5:51 AM

@enigma

I really was interested in what your wife had to say on the matter.

I have not yet encountered a woman who believed that women should not have the right to vote, usually it is their husbands who say it for them.

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USABorn

Jul-23-13 5:49 AM

USA Today reported:

After 50 years of Democratic rule Detroit filed for bankruptcy today.

50 Years of Failure:

From January 1952 to Today–

Jerome Cavanagh (D) Roman Gribbs (D) Coleman Young (D) Dennis Archer (D) Kwame Kilpatrick (D – Crook) Kenneth Cockrel, Jr. (D) Dave Bing (D)

Take a bow, Democrats.

The city of Detroit filed for Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection in federal court Thursday, laying the groundwork for a historic effort to bail out a city that is sinking under billions of dollars in debt and decades of mismanagement, population flight and loss of tax revenue.

The bankruptcy filing makes Detroit the largest city in U.S. history to do so.

Thank you, Democrats. You own this.

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enigma

Jul-22-13 10:01 PM

Jerry,"Please, by all means, ask her share her thoughts on this with us here. You have my full attention."

She doesn't have the patience with liberals that I do. She has a very low tolerance for selfishness and stupidity. I would explain it to you, but because I am kind, I wouldn't want to cause your head to explode because you could never wrap your mind around it. Let's just say that liberal thinking is very feminine. It is based on emotion with little to no reason or logic. You don't have to agree, but you asked so I told you.

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DavidBross

Jul-22-13 9:13 PM

Progressive Success Stories: Soviet Union Cuba Venezuela Italy Spain Portugal Greece These are just the examples from the last 20 years! (Where do Germany, France, England, Japan fit in on your Progressive/Libertarian scale?)

Libertarian Success Stories:

United States (fastest growth(faster than the empires of Egypt, Rome, Persia, ancient China, the Turks?), most wealthy population (also higher percentage of people living in poverty), most free people(Do you mean in terms of numbers or amount of freedom/), fought to free other people (while also serving our own interests), ended slavery(but couldn't create our country without it), most powerful military(true, but that is more of a necessity rather than an accomplishment)

(Also, any other countries make your list of libertarian success stories?)

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JerryfromRI

Jul-22-13 8:16 PM

Set yer time-controls for July 22nd, 2017 and hold on tight to yer flux-capacitor cause we're about to hit 88 mph for a time travel trip into the future!!!

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The City of Williamsport declared bankruptcy today after years of out of control crime drove many city taxpayers to surrounding communities.

First the Mayor took the hoops, then the skate park, then the bike path and then the river front but the more recreation the mayor took, the more the city's litter problem grew.

No amount on surveillance cameras could stem the shooting in the city, which soon out numbered such place as DC, Chicago, Baghdad and Moscow.

Early morning raids by the codes police were unable to stem the tide of unregistered tenants.

But mostly, it was the crowds of people that flooded the streets holding signs and demanding that the city "do nothing" that lead to its downfall.

"Do nothing" the people demanded, and THAT's what the city's leaders did.

Nothing.

So people moved away.

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Ritty77

Jul-22-13 7:44 PM

<MSNBC host Ed Schultz joined a host of liberals who feel Republican policies led to Detroit’s filing for the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history last week.

"Detroit, Michigan, used to be really a symbol of industrial strength and manufacturing in this country. But, thanks to a lot of Republican policies, the city is now filing for bankruptcy," Mr. Schultz said.

While delivering his monologue on "The Ed Show," the host showed a graphic of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, President Ronald Reagan and Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder above the headline "conservative utopia," Mediaite first reported.

He blasted the Republican governor’s hiring of emergency manager Kevin Orr, who, Mr. Schultz said, "failed miserably" at saving Detroit from collapse and slashed public services so badly that people moved away, depriving the city of vital tax revenues.

"It is a very vicious cycle," Mr. Schultz said. "It’s the Republican way

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JerryfromRI

Jul-22-13 7:06 PM

"The progressives' reign of terror..."

HAHAHAHAHA, yeah, it's not Alabama in the middle.

Thanks for the laugh.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-22-13 7:04 PM

"You're barking up the wrong tree with that one. My wife believes that the women's vote is one of the things that is destroying the country" --enigma

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Please, by all means, ask her share her thoughts on this with us here. You have my full attention.

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WKnapp

Jul-22-13 6:57 PM

The progressives' reign of terror was actually previewed by Lincoln, the hypocritical tyrant. It was unacceptable for the Southern states to secede, but perfectly acceptable for a part of a state to secede from the rest of the state to make WEST VIRGINIA! He was quoted from speeches as saying that it made no difference if all, some or none of the slaves were freed, as long as the South didn't get away with seceding. Racist that he apparently was, it was also reported that he said that if he could, he'd prefer if none were freed because they were inferior. We've been venerating a myth.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-22-13 6:41 PM

Progressive Success Stories:

Soviet Union Cuba Venezuela Italy Spain Portugal Greece

These are just the examples from the last 20 years!

Libertarian Success Stories:

United States (fastest growth, most wealthy population, most free people, fought to free other people, ended slavery, most powerful military)

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philunderwood

Jul-22-13 6:20 PM

CitizenX, I don’t see writing a letter opposing one someone else has written as sinking to his level; I guess we’ll just have to disagree on this one.

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enigma

Jul-22-13 6:17 PM

Jerry, You're barking up the wrong tree with that one. My wife believes that the women's vote is one of the things that is destroying the country. Not everybody is a self-serving moron. Some people believe in absolute right and wrong and don't base right and wrong on what I like and what I don't.

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philunderwood

Jul-22-13 6:15 PM

“Somalia would be one.” (Libertarian society)

Anyone with a modicum of reasoning ability should be able to comprehend that a libertarian society requires a strong but limited government and the rule of law. Capitalism and individual rights wouldn’t be possible otherwise.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-22-13 5:17 PM

"The Progressives did one good thing and you'll accept whatever else they send your way?" -enigma

Ask your wife tonight if the 'one good thing' progressives ever did is important to her.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-22-13 5:14 PM

Hey Bobbie-

I believe the assertion was that Susan B Anthony was a progressive, not a liberal. Words have meanings, it's important to understand them.

I await your humble retraction.

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CitizenX

Jul-22-13 5:06 PM

philunderwood:

"Many people see the letters in the paper that have no knowledge of comments here. They see Chuck’s nonsense..."

My point. People who read the LTE but not this forum certainly see him as some sort of wacko and I would have thought you would be too dignified to present yourself that way too. In my opinion it's juvenile to have basically a name-calling in the newspaper. Having those sorts of 'debates' in this relatively small forum is one thing but to have it published and memorialized in the newspaper is something different.

"...so I decided to counter it with a letter of my own."

And certainly your choice to do so. I was just surprised because I thought you had more class than to stoop to his level. And maybe you do but acted on the spur of the moment as an immediate reaction. Whatever. Just giving you my personal reaction also.

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enigma

Jul-22-13 4:58 PM

DavidBross,"I would say that things are better now than they have ever been."

Of course you would. Now rather than being oppressed by other people, minorities are oppressed by the government. At least when you're oppressed by other people, you can appeal to government, who do you appeal to when the oppression comes from government? Is it really better to be a slave to government than to be a slave to a plantation owner? Government has made so many people dependent on them that they have no choice but to vote for big government. Even in the civil war, some slaves did not want to be free because they did not know what they would do to survive. That is exactly the same position many find themselves in today. They do not know how to survive without government handouts. But things are much better now than they were when people were free to live their own lives.

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