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July 24, 2013

Almighty God, we make our earnest prayer that you will keep the United States in your holy protection; that you will incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and......

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USABorn

Jul-26-13 5:49 AM

"That's why Washington was not invited to help Jefferson write the Declaration and later the Constitution." Mistake of memory. My senior moment on that one. The rest is correct."

Another error which makes the entire book suspect is the comment about Washington and Declaration of Independence.

Prior to its work on the Declaration of Independence, the Second Continental Congress INCLUDED Washington as a congressman from Virginia. But he resigned his position as a delegate when Congress formed the Continental Army and appointed him commanding general on June 14, 1775. So he was unavailable to participate, or to sign the Declaration.

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wwhickok

Jul-25-13 9:02 AM

Francine if you're going to reference history...you could at least make sure you KNOW your history.

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MrShaman

Jul-25-13 7:00 AM

"Why is it that liberals will believe anything they read on some liberal blog..." - enigma

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You DO realize those "voices" (you're convinced are liberals' "thoughts") might NOT be real, correct?

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USABorn

Jul-25-13 2:03 AM

Francine - 6:55 PM

"That's why Washington was not invited to help Jefferson write the Declaration and later the Constitution."

WRONG! In 1787 Washington PRESIDED over the Constitutional Convention that drafted the United States Constitution.

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CMReeder

Jul-25-13 12:19 AM

Enigma, you believe what right web sites say and still don't know a thing.

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DavidBross

Jul-24-13 10:06 PM

Francine, a marvelous post! Thoughtful and enlightening.

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enigma

Jul-24-13 3:31 PM

Chuck,"This is what Washington wrote not the Christianized 'Valley Forge Prayer'."

Now Chuck, I know you're old, but I didn't think that you were old enough to actually know Washington.

Why is it that liberals will believe anything they read on some liberal blog, but not what can be found in the national archives? Just rhetorical; the answer is that they only believe what supports there twisted liberal beliefs and only lies will do that.

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DavidBross

Jul-24-13 2:43 PM

SteelerFan, I certainly agree. I don't think there is another individual during that time period that was as crucial to the formation of our country than Washington.

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CMReeder

Jul-24-13 1:48 PM

Washington believe in national unity.

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CMReeder

Jul-24-13 1:46 PM

"I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you, and the State over which you preside, in his holy protection, that he would incline the hearts of the Citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to Government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow Citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the Field, and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation."

This is what Washington wrote not the Christianized 'Valley Forge Prayer'.

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CMReeder

Jul-24-13 1:41 PM

The Jefferson quote was changed. It is part of a sentence dealing with his belief that slavery was evil and it's spread to the western areas of the continent be stopped, he even drew up legislation for emancipation.

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KrazyK

Jul-24-13 1:16 PM

Prayers should be published in the Religion section in the Sunday edition.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-24-13 1:00 PM

"So, how 'bout subordination & obedience to some invisible-entity ("hiding", up in the clouds, somewhere), as ToTEXASfromPA prefers.

THAT makes sense, to you??"

Yep Shaman, it sure does. It's called freedom of religion. But no where does it state I have to be obedient to my government. You state service members can't have thoughts of their own because they have to follow orders, yet you have no problem with citizen's being obedient and relying on big government. Personally I was raised with the beliefs that government is there to serve us.

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MrShaman

Jul-24-13 9:49 AM

"...but I do have issue that we need to be subordinate and obedient to government. Sounds like a leftist prayer to me. LoL" - GysgtUSMC

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So, how 'bout subordination & obedience to some invisible-entity ("hiding", up in the clouds, somewhere), as ToTEXASfromPA prefers.

THAT makes sense, to you??

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MrShaman

Jul-24-13 9:44 AM

"But this does bring up a good question of how many do pray for the US and the leaders or just pray for themselves, immediate family and friends." - ToTEXASfromPA

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You mean, as-opposed-to (actually) PARTICIPATING in efforts that'd make a difference??

Quite-a-few, I'd say.

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SteelerFan

Jul-24-13 9:41 AM

George Washington was flawed just like every one of us. But having read a lot about him, I honestly believe that he was the most important Founding Father and that our Revolution had a good chance of failure if not for him.

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MrShaman

Jul-24-13 9:39 AM

"...and entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of the United State at large." - George Washington

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Whatta great conversation that would be...between George & "Gordon Gekko" (that darling o' Wall $treet/T-Baggers).

See:

Gordon Gekko - "I create nothing, I own." (YouTube)

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JohnZook

Jul-24-13 9:14 AM

We need to envision what it was like back then. There were many people who didn't want to fight the British from the start. Now, there was this "upstart" gov't of Patriots and to make this work, everyone needed to be on board.

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DavidBross

Jul-24-13 8:22 AM

Washington could have prayed "...that you will incline the hearts of the elected leaders to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to the rights of the people..." Now, having posted twice with one point of view, I imagine that it is easy to find words of Washington, or other FFs which do say something to the effect of the "quote" I made up. They were, as we are, complicated and flawed people living in complicated times. They did the best they could. I don't think it is accurate, or fair, to idolize them or say they represented one particular line of thinking.

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DavidBross

Jul-24-13 7:45 AM

"..that you will incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government..." Doesn't sound like the words of a libertarian to me. Which is not a surprise to me. The Founding Fathers really felt that there was a class of citizens that was best suited to lead. That class had a responsibility to lead well, but at no time did they feel that all citizens should have input into the government.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-24-13 7:34 AM

GysgtUSMC:

I believe the meaning is to that we should give up our desires for another gov't to the one established so it can be a success.

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spike2

Jul-24-13 7:32 AM

and the point is what?

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-24-13 7:14 AM

"that you will incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government"

I think George may have been hitting the sauce a bit when he made that statement. I have no problems abiding by the laws of the land, but I do have issue that we need to be subordinate and obedient to government. Sounds like a leftist prayer to me. LoL

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-24-13 6:36 AM

AmericanCitizen, the prayer is a couple of hundred years old. Those results are in. :-)

But this does bring up a good question of how many do pray for the US and the leaders or just pray for themselves, immediate family and friends.

"I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people. Ask God to help them; intercede on their behalf, and give thanks for them. Pray this way for kings and all who are in authority so that we can live peaceful and quiet lives marked by godliness and dignity." --1 Tim 2:1-2

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AmericanCitizen

Jul-24-13 5:13 AM

Let us know how this prayer works out for you.

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