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July 25, 2013

In a recent letter to the editor, the writer claimed that Ronald Reagan was what was wrong with this country. I was stunned by that statement, but as I continued to read, I had an epiphany....

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DavidBross

Jul-26-13 10:17 AM

Enigma, my reply to you was a bit snarky. I have to admit, though, I did enjoy writing it. Nonetheless, I'll try again. I commented the the letter was preaching to the choir. You replied that that was not so and provided the choice offered in the letter as evidence the author was reaching out to others, I disagreed with you because the choice offered has meaning only if you believe that those are the only options. I offered a third, that one can choose to worship neither god nor government. Others could say that the premise of the choice meaningless to them because they reject the premise that there is a god. Hence, the people for whom the choice made sense are those who agree with the author. Or in other words, the choir.

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CMReeder

Jul-26-13 10:13 AM

Bobbie proves once more how much of a liar she is.

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USABorn

Jul-26-13 4:51 AM

pinecr - 9:42 AM

"Won't comment on this letter other than a comment about Ronald Regan...he is the one responsible for people not being able to "double dip" on retirement and that is completely WRONG."

I worked with a former colonel who retired from the Army after 30 years, with a great retirement check coming in every month.

He came to work at Redstone Arsenal and was in my section. In fact, his desk was about 10 ft from mine. He bragged about how he came into federal civil service at a GS 11 rate, and had been given credit for his 30 years Army time. He was planning on working for no more then 10 years and retiring with 40 years service.

This meant he would be getting a 30 year retirement check for his Army time, and a 40 year check for his civil service time. ALL AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE.

This was not a rare occurrence. And you call Reagan wrong for stopping it?

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USABorn

Jul-26-13 4:39 AM

spike2 - 7:56 AM

"I don't believe Reagan was a good President. His skill was presentation. He was an actor. I am not going to sift through his presidency now but can on a topic specific thread. I always reject any statements when the writer says "all liberals" or "all conservatives"."

What is deceptive about his letter?

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CMReeder

Jul-26-13 12:54 AM

GysgtUSMC, You said the letter was factual and I asked for one indisputable fact form it and you can not come up with one. I am not the one who made that claim you did.

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CMReeder

Jul-26-13 12:47 AM

GysgtUSMC, You are full of it and I did answer your question, you don't like the answer. The right doesn't do fair. People are not paid fair. When more people are placed in lower income brackets due to the economy and lowered wages it increases the number of people not paying federal income tax. What happen to them was not fair but that is not what you think is not fair.

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CMReeder

Jul-26-13 12:29 AM

Bobbie's checks are absolutely worthless like she is.

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-25-13 1:57 PM

Well Mr. Reeder, I couldn't disagree with you more on this. I've prepared taxes for over 30 yrs. and I see what full time working people pay in compared to barely working, and what they get back.I guess this is one of those topics we will just have to agree to disagree on.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-25-13 1:48 PM

I don't dispute any part of this letter. You obviously do so that's on you my friend.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-25-13 1:46 PM

Again that is just the income tax on the federal level and not taxes by the federal govenment. They are still paying into other federal subsided programs like SSI. -Reeder

Mr. Reeder, you did not answer my question. As a democrat, what are your feelings regarding 49% of Americans pay NO federal Income tax. You seem to think that everyone pays their share, but I would say that 49% of the population are not paying their share. And I would venture to say that many of those pay no state income tax either. And I would go on to say that I bet a lot of those people also receive government assistance. Still trying to figure out your theory of everyone pays their share.

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KrazyK

Jul-25-13 1:32 PM

Paul believes only conservatives can embrace the true God. What a loon!

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CMReeder

Jul-25-13 1:19 PM

What is the undisputed facts of the letter?

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CMReeder

Jul-25-13 12:08 PM

"If we do not have personal accts. then why so we get those statements from SSA every year showing what we paid into OUR ACCT. and what we will get when we retire?"

You do not have a personal account with them that you can draw from. You are part of a very large pool of people who by the length of time they work and how much they earned reach a certain level of benefits from that pool. There is a cut off in how you can get and how much you contribute. They are NOT individual, personal accounts.

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CMReeder

Jul-25-13 12:04 PM

"Mr. Reeder, Do you agree that there is a problem in this country when 49% of the population pay NO federal income tax? With many getting back much more than they paid in?"

Again that is just the income tax on the federal level and not taxes by the federal govenment. They are still paying into other federal subsided programs like SSI.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-25-13 11:41 AM

You assume you have contributed more than anyone else. -Reeder

Mr. Reeder, Do you agree that there is a problem in this country when 49% of the population pay NO federal income tax? With many getting back much more than they paid in?

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-25-13 11:33 AM

If we do not have personal accts. then why so we get those statements from SSA every year showing what we paid into OUR ACCT. and what we will get when we retire?

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-25-13 11:26 AM

Mr. Reeder, when did they start taxing welfare benefits, food stamps and SSI? I was unnaware of this.

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SteelerFan

Jul-25-13 11:06 AM

pinecr, you should at least spell 'Reagan' correctly

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CMReeder

Jul-25-13 11:03 AM

You don't live by it you live off of it. We all do. Everybody pays taxes in their lives. You assume you have contributed more than anyone else. Apparently you think you have more to get from the system and that is not true. We do not have personal accounts with the system. We are all members of it.

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enigma

Jul-25-13 10:51 AM

David, That was way below you. First, your claim was that the writer was preaching to the choir. When that is debunked, you switch to false choices. You claim that there is a third choice, but you don't say what it is. You invoke Santa Clause to make it sound silly, but you're the one who comes off silly. You say you do not think it is a valid choice, but you don't say why. Is this your imitation of Chuck or Sham? I've never been impressed with what you think is logic, but this is poorly done, even with that in mind. Was it the mention of God that made you lose it, or are you just having a bad day? Or maybe there's a third choice.

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DavidBross

Jul-25-13 10:15 AM

"David, I could be wrong, but I read in this letter that the author was giving a choice. You can worship God or government." The author does give a choice. But, is the choice valid? I think not. I believe one can worship neither. To illustrate: Imagine if the choice was, "Does Santa Claus wear boxers or briefs?" Any reasonable person would realize that there is a third choice. Namely that he goes commando. Another example, What if the choice was, "Does the sun rise in the North or the South?" So, just because a choice is given, doesn't mean it has merit.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-25-13 9:53 AM

Spike I agree. The Office of the President doesn't run this country, congress does. Unless of course you have presents that choose to abuse the executive orders privilege. That's why democratic leadership made the right call when they chose Obama. They knew he was an excellent speaker for the party, he was black, and he was going against a Bush like candidate. But he is simply a puppet for their agenda.

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-25-13 9:52 AM

Mr. Reeder, I live BY the system. I've paid income tax, property tax, school taxes, gasoline tax, sales tax,and every other tax they've thrown at me for the 37 yrs. I was able to work.I don't call that living "OFF " the system.

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enigma

Jul-25-13 9:47 AM

David, I could be wrong, but I read in this letter that the author was giving a choice. You can worship God or government. In the last paragraph he states that with God you get freedom, with government, you do not. You may not agree with his assessment but it is not as you say, preaching to the choir. Open your mind David and you will see what is now hidden from your sight. You can then make an informed choice.

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pinecr

Jul-25-13 9:42 AM

Won't comment on this letter other than a comment about Ronald Regan...he is the one responsible for people not being able to "double dip" on retirement and that is completely WRONG. If you worked for it and paid into it for 40+ years, you should be able to collect. I know a woman who worked for 40 years and paid into social security all of that time. Her husband works for the railroad (and he pays three times as much as others pay into social security towards his retirement) and prior to Ronald Regan, she was entitled to half of her hubsand's retirement and also her social security that she paid into for years. Now, because of the bill that Regan passed, she can take one or the other. That means that if a railroad worker had a spouse that never worked a day in her life, his spouse would be entitled to the same as the lady that worked 40+ years. Now everything that she paid into social security will be given to someone else....NOT FAIR!

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