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July 25, 2013

A commentator recently claimed the right doesn’t believe in community. The right believes community is free people voluntarily interacting with one another to the benefit of themselves and each other....

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gavinf56

Jul-25-13 5:27 AM

I will check back in later, but good luck Phil.

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-25-13 6:20 AM

Great letter Mr. Underwood

"The left believes that community is central planning aimed at controlling people to achieve what they think is best for individuals and the collective."

Sounds alot like socialism to me.

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MrShaman

Jul-25-13 6:34 AM

"The left believes that community is central planning aimed at controlling people to achieve what they think is best for individuals and the collective." - Phil Underwood

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Amazing!

Are there any Right-Wingers, who CAN'T read "the Left's" individual-minds??!!!

BTW...you DO know such practices are considered a "sin"...right?

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MrShaman

Jul-25-13 6:50 AM

Great letter Mr. Underwood

"The left believes that community is central planning aimed at controlling people to achieve what they think is best for individuals and the collective."

Sounds alot like socialism to me." - Tgrammiex4

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YOU hear those "voices" (you assume are the "left's" thoughts), as WELL??!!!

Someone needs to call the CDC!! There appears to be some kind o' unidentified-pandemic, at hand!! It's quite possible Right-Wingers' tendencies (towards paranoia) are actually organic; by nature!

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-25-13 6:53 AM

Phil, I agree and central planning fails because the facts upon which it is built are unreliable and frequently completely bogus. One needs to look no further than the unemployment numbers. The real problem exist when the economy believes in these false "numbers" and the stock market reacts to them. The feds use them to adjust interest rates and print money thinking they support the governments manipulated members, I personally believe we are heading for another crash like this country has never seen.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-25-13 6:54 AM

That should read the "government's manipulated numbers."

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-25-13 6:55 AM

YOU hear those "voices" (you assume are the "left's" thoughts), as WELL??!!!

Someone needs to call the CDC!! There appears to be some kind o' unidentified-pandemic, at hand!! It's quite possible Right-Wingers' tendencies (towards paranoia) are actually organic; by nature! _Shaman

My comment was based on the c r a p you espouse here daily.

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philunderwood

Jul-25-13 7:22 AM

Central planning is a small number of “leaders” believing they know what’s better for the citizenry than the millions of citizens know for themselves and they use the force of government to accomplish it. When central planning dilutes a free market, or Capitalism, you’re moving in the direction of Fascism or Socialism, it’s just a matter of degree. That’s true no matter what the central planning advocates try and convince themselves or others.

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rick424

Jul-25-13 7:39 AM

So this is the answer to Mr. Reeder's letter? Interesting. I am with Gavivn, I will check back later.

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CMReeder

Jul-25-13 7:42 AM

It is not a letter I wrote but to a comment I made.

Let us face it Gavin you are not interested.

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nobud74

Jul-25-13 7:43 AM

Good, succinct letter Phil. I, also, will check back later.

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CMReeder

Jul-25-13 7:50 AM

Let me start with the letter.

"The right believes community is free people voluntarily interacting with one another to the benefit of themselves and each other."

When it benefits themselves, what happens if it is something they don't thinks benefits them? You volunteer together, not work together to build a community. It is only if you want it to happen not if others want it to happen or is it all must want it to happen in order for it to be allowed to happen.

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CMReeder

Jul-25-13 8:01 AM

"The left believes that community is central planning aimed at controlling people to achieve what they think is best for individuals and the collective."

This is what libertarianism says of the left.

A community is a collective, a uniting of individuals. Every society, community has controls they are called laws. You however Phil call it central planning and control.

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CMReeder

Jul-25-13 8:05 AM

There is central planning in Capitalism, just as you describe it Phil.

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spike2

Jul-25-13 8:06 AM

once again we have group A and group B. Cookie-cutter people. In reality there are those who believe in parts of each statement. As an example, we have those who strongly believe in "work", self-support, tightening on some social programs, etc. yet believe in birth control and some handgun restrictions. Which group are they? Just an example but people are far more diverse in thought than anyone acknowledges. Most of the people I know are a mix of attitudes from both sides.

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CMReeder

Jul-25-13 8:09 AM

But then it really doesn't matter for to the right all the left has is nonsense.

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nobud74

Jul-25-13 8:33 AM

You are correct spike, but the vast majority of posters on any forum are on less toward the center and more to the far sides of ideology. Once again, the pols love this. It keeps them in power. And as long as there are those willing to chug the kool-aid of their party, we will continue to have pols just like Weiner from NY (Both side have examples, he is just the latest, freshest.) who believe their personal weaknesses and failings should not prevent them from office and they have cheering multitudes who concur.

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wwhickok

Jul-25-13 8:33 AM

Clearly I belong standing next to people like Phil & Spike...because the rest of you guys are friggin' idiots.

Seriously some of the crap Reeder, Sham, and others come up with...makes me really wonder about your mental state.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-25-13 8:40 AM

Spike, well said and as an Independent I have beliefs that cover both the left of center and right of center. But you have to admit that there are some on here that are VERY far left or far right. I disagree with some of the liberals on here because I don't fall in line with this administration's far leftist views and they seem to feed off the words of the talking heads at MSNBC and feel that anything the administration does or says should not be challenged. And if you do then you are wrong and you are the problem with this country. Hogwash.

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CMReeder

Jul-25-13 8:44 AM

I like the ones who claim they are centerish, you are not that much in the center.

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CMReeder

Jul-25-13 8:46 AM

You are entitled to your opinion Wes. I think you are as full of it as you think I am and I worry about your mental state or lack of one in your case.

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wwhickok

Jul-25-13 8:56 AM

Reeder, you can think what you want about my mental state. But let me tell you a little about my mental state.

I'm tired of people like you and Sham who want to rely on the government to fix all your problems and use youtube references as your excuse as to why nothing will ever change. If you'd do everyone a favor and shut up, get up, and do something to promote change maybe this city would be a little better, maybe this world would be a little better. Oh, but that's right Reeder, you don't have any real vested interest in this city because you don't live here yet you feel the need to comment on things you don't truly understand.

I don't know if you're an educated man. Maybe you are maybe you aren't. I know many of the things you say don't come across as very educated. You comment on discriminatory issues and come across yourself as very discriminatory. You comment on political issues and couldn't make it more clear you're as close minded as it gets.

My political stance

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wwhickok

Jul-25-13 8:59 AM

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is what I've said hundreds of times it is. Give me an issue, I'll discuss it with you, I'll give you my opinion, I'll even give you an opportunity to change my opinion. But in the end, I look at every issue separately. I don't bunch them all into one category of "right or left".

I believe in the U.S Constitution, in Freedom, and in society. But I also believe that if Society wants help they have to be willing to help themselves as well.

I believe that talking only does so much. At the end of the day you have to have the guts and coconuts to stand up and do what's right. To fight for what you believe in.

That's my mental state. I've actually been taking action to fight for the things I believe in recently. Reeder, what have YOU done lately?

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-25-13 9:02 AM

I like the ones who claim they are centerish, you are not that much in the center. -Reeder

What because I don't agree with your far leftist views and the policies of this administration, then I don't have views that are towards the center? Typical liberal drivel. I also didn't support Bush and a lot of his policies.

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wwhickok

Jul-25-13 9:07 AM

Oh and I know you were talking to Gys, but I also didn't support Bush. Nor Do I support Barack Obama. It was like going from one extreme to the other. I don't feel that either one worked out to our true benefit as a nation.

I DO believe there is a such thing as a middle ground (center) but I do believe that very few people have the guts to stand there.

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