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Tail wags dog

July 26, 2013

When it comes to racial tensions in this country, is it possible that the "Tail is wagging the Dog"? Many black leaders insist that "Racial Profiling" is at the root of the problem....

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-26-13 3:30 AM

This is the question I have been asking since the verdict. Why isn't the President starting conversation about these statistics? Why aren't Jackson and Sharpton working with the black community to solve these problems? Young black men killing each other is an epidemic, but hey, Holder feels it's more important to investigate Zimmerman for the last 16 months. The Administration, Jackson, Sharpton, Holder and many on the left's disingenuous concern for the black community does not impress me.

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USABorn

Jul-26-13 3:35 AM

Racial profiling is not responsible for these statistics. These statistics are responsible for racial profiling.

Absolutely correct!

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gavinf56

Jul-26-13 5:33 AM

Oooop, somebody touched the third rail. This should be interesting.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-26-13 5:43 AM

You're right Gavin, this is the elephant in the room and in my opinion Mr. Lilley is 100% correct. But, it seems to be easier to point the finger outward instead of inward.

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Tgrammiex4

Jul-26-13 7:26 AM

Amazing how all the powers that be avoid this subject. They will talk about how the black person is "oppressed" but the only one oppressing them is themselves.It's all about choices for ANYONE.

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wwhickok

Jul-26-13 7:41 AM

I actually agree 100% with the Author.

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VinceKnauff

Jul-26-13 7:47 AM

When a group of people are taught from birth that the system is against them, a logical result is that illegal means are the best way out. The great majority of minorities do not break the law and choose the honest path for their lives. But those few that have the biggest chips on their shoulders think that crime is the only way to get ahead.

If leaders like Jesse Jackson et al would stop drilling into the heads of their followers that every reason for their failures is racism and start telling their listeners that crime is not the solution, there would be far less reason for profiling.

Remember - facts aren't racist.

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rick424

Jul-26-13 7:56 AM

There was an interesting discussion on this subject on sciforums last year. Unlike here there is no name calling and racial unsertones in the discussions. Read that one as this will be pointless and somehow be a left right issue. Looks like a beautiful day and for the record my dogs wag their tails, not the other way around.

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nobud74

Jul-26-13 8:03 AM

It is interesting that the very ones, Jesse--Al, etc., that scream racism at every turn are the very ones who do nothing to actually help the black community improve things. They would rather point the finger and blame everyone else for their problems. I am not normally a Fox News watcher, but I heard about O'Reilly's rant and looked it up. Finally someone in the spotlight has the guts to say what needs to be said. Perhaps these sorts of outbursts will start a true and honest discussion, but I doubt it since pols don't want anything to do with it.

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CMReeder

Jul-26-13 8:26 AM

Only looking at the crimes committed by blacks is profiling and to then that turn that into blacks are more prone to violence.

From the same statistical base where these numbers came fom is this, 84% of whites killed in the US are committed by whites. As the largest racial dempographic this is a large number. Why are we not talking about and covering white on white crime? Whites also commit other violent crimes including assault which also includes rape. They lead blacks 2 to 1. Whites also commit more theft than other races. But we don't talk about those statistics.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-26-13 8:36 AM

Mr. Reeder I agree, however, unlike the administration and others, no fingers are being pointed. Where is the outrage for black on white crime. I gave just one example of many the other day of six blacks kids that beat to death a white man because they wanted something to do, and the national media didn't even cover it.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-26-13 9:19 AM

Some additional statistics from 2011:

Number of whites murdered: 3172 Race of offenders: White: 2630, Black: 448, Other: 94

Number of blacks murdered: 2695 Race of offenders: White: 193, Black: 2447, Other: 55

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FormerEastEnder

Jul-26-13 9:41 AM

I live in the Murder Capital of the USA (Chicago IL).. I will tell you, there are at least.. at LEAST.. 6 killings PER WEEK here in Chicag, if not more.... 90% are committed by black on black. That is not made up..that is a truth. Read through any murder rate website you can find and find out for yourself. I'll stick to the Northside.. there are some murders, sure, but nothing compared to what is going on in the Southside...geeze louise

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spike2

Jul-26-13 9:47 AM

Here is part of the problem. Just read the comments. We also perpetuate two communities. The "black community" and the "white community". Like it or not, we are one community. BTW., the statistics are incorrect. The other problem with a national statistics is the variance from state to state. We all know Detroit has the highest rate and is predominantly black v black.The poorest cities have the highest rate. Try Kansas or Oklahoma. Part of any plan should be a stronger educational/trade education and an understanding that relocation for work is a good choice. As to the 6 black kids and the white gentleman, good point. Look up the stats on murders of the homeless. White kids are the driver. Until this is everyones problem, nothing will change. We are one or we are not.

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wwhickok

Jul-26-13 10:01 AM

Here's the problem with statistics and my only problem with your comment in fact spike.

You said we have 2 communities, white and black. I disagree. I do think we have ONE community. Here's where the divide comes in.

The majority of the individuals coming from Philadelphia, or so SG would lead us to believe. That I've read, nearly every single (maybe every one) shooting that has occurred in the last 12 months has been committed by someone from Philadelphia. They HAPPEN to be black. This isn't a race issue, they're not guilty because they're black, they're guilty because they committed a crime. I'm not even remotely suggesting white people don't commit crimes, I'm talking about what we have read in the recent months in SG.

The real problem is it seems as though we can't mention any crime that was committed by a black individual without being called a racist. But if we want to talk about crimes committed by white people, that's acceptable.

How about we talk about the

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wwhickok

Jul-26-13 10:02 AM

people committing crimes and look beyond the color of their skin. I don't care if they're purple, the criminals need to go!

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DavidBross

Jul-26-13 10:06 AM

I liked the letter. The author made one point, provided information to support that point and didn't lecture the readers. Regarding Jackson and Sharpton, I would not want them representing anything that was important to me. Juan Williams wrote an excellent book about 10 years ago called "Enough". In it he pointed out many of the point brought up here. One more thing on Jackson. In a recent interview, Jesse Jackson was asked, "What would you say to the young black men of America?" I thought this was an excellent questions as well as an excellent opportunity for Jackson to display real leadership by helping black families who are having "the talk" with their sons. Instead, Jackson replied by observing what programs, services, or supports young black men needed. What an abdication of the responsibilities associated with his position as a leader in the black community.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-26-13 10:09 AM

Spike, you are right, we are one community, but if the administration wants to have conversation, he is focusing his efforts in the wrong direction, as are the activists. There is a reason that many fear black men. Is it fair, of course not. But when the facts glaringly show that black men commit over 50% of the murders in this country and they only make up a very small percentage of the population, what do you expect? They also made a mockery of the whole Zimmerman debacle when in actuality, there are more blacks killing whites. And the statistics for robbery are even worse. You are never going to change the perception and fear that many have towards black men until you address the actual problem and that is NOT being done. Is there racial profiling? Of course. Is there a legitimate cause of it? Absolutely.

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CMReeder

Jul-26-13 10:20 AM

"Mr. Reeder I agree, however, unlike the administration and others, no fingers are being pointed. Where is the outrage for black on white crime. I gave just one example of many the other day of six blacks kids that beat to death a white man because they wanted something to do, and the national media didn't even cover it."

Hoow did you agree with me? You want more coverage of black teens killing a white. You agree with me, no you did not

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-26-13 10:35 AM

Mr. Reeder, I agree with your point that white on white crime is also a problem. ALL crime is a problem but you can't dispute the facts no matter how you want to spin them. Over 50% of the murders are committed by blacks who make up a very small percentage of the population and the robbery statistics are far worse. Now what is the administration, the activists and the so called many caring liberals gonna do about those FACTS?

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CMReeder

Jul-26-13 10:36 AM

"The real problem is it seems as though we can't mention any crime that was committed by a black individual without being called a racist."

No that is not true, it is when you only focus on the crimes committed by blacks are people called racist. When you only look at the statistical information of crimes committted by blacks are you called a racist. When reporting a story you only mention the race of the criminal if he isn't white.

Here is a fact for you. Hispanics are divide by color of their skin. There is a classification labelled 'white' Hispanic, Have you ever notice this label in statistics, Blacks (Non-Hispanic). Which means they are Hispanics that are considered black.

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CMReeder

Jul-26-13 10:42 AM

Again GysgtUSMC you are perpetuating that blacks are more criminal minded and violent.

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enigma

Jul-26-13 10:42 AM

DavidBross, Well said David. I would also like to point out that Bill Cosby has been catching heat in the black community for speaking the truth. The media gives him no notice and continues to hold up Sharpton and Jackson as the leaders of the black community, which leads us to another question. Why do we have a 'black community'. Wouldn't it be better if we had a community. When you add black to community that's when race becomes an issue. We don't want black communities and white communities and Hispanic communities. We need American communities. Let's try that an see how fast race ceases to be an issue.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-26-13 10:47 AM

"When you only look at the statistical information of crimes committted by blacks are you called a racist."

That is about the most unintelligent comment I think I have seen you write. Surely you can't feel that way. SO in other words in your opinion, I am a racist because I point out the sad FACTS! Give me a break. Your problem is, you and many others were "disappointed" with the outcome of the Zimmerman trial and when we try and show you the facts behind why you are wrong and why your fake concern is pointed in the wrong direction, we are suddenly racist. What a joke.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-26-13 10:52 AM

"Again GysgtUSMC you are perpetuating that blacks are more criminal minded and violent." -Reeder

Ummm.. I am not perpetuating anything. Like the letter writer, I listed facts and gave my opinion as to why so many fear black men. It's not rocker science.

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