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July 26, 2013

$360,000 for a computer records system? Let’s see, a police officer stole from evidence room, fireman was convicted dealing drugs, recently two officers were convicted in county drug task force, a......

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MimLogue

Jul-27-13 10:17 PM

Why couldnt we get Penn college computer software design class to design a program for us?? Many imaginative professors and kids are over there would love that for a class project. We just get to fill in the bad guys names???

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BillTriumph

Jul-26-13 9:44 PM

Such things such as this computer system are funded by grants. I chuckle at how folks who never attended a Council meeting weigh in on "spending taxpayer money" ...as if. As is typical of anything dealing with law enforcement all this stuff has to be designed so as to not compromise the rights of the accused/criminals etc. There are a limited number of firms meeting the standards, so shopping at Sam's is out.

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USABorn

Jul-26-13 9:19 PM

SteelerFan - 9:51 AM

"I agree to an extent Bud but 360K from a poor community like Williamsport is some serious cash. I don't know much at all about this proposed system but would hope that it could be accessed county-wide & help other locales."

While I was still working, we got a new computer system at my company. The original "system" cost was something like $200,000. Then there were the programming costs to adapt the system to our needs. This was very costly...something like $200/$400hr. We also had to pay the computer company for their salary when a programmer came to the plant, plus their travel, meals, accomodations, & car rentals!

Then there were tweeks and updates also at $200/$400/hr. Every phone call to ask a question involved a charge. Much like lawyers get you with their billing!

By the time it was complete, the cost was over $1 million.

The sad part is, by the time it's up & running perfectly, it's obsolete & its time for

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SteelerFan

Jul-26-13 1:41 PM

No flak from me Wes. Just saying that information shared by others in law enforcement makes everyone's job easier. The other locales could chip in on the cost.

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wwhickok

Jul-26-13 11:18 AM

To an extent I agree with you Enigma. I do find the fact police officers who have committed crimes are still police officers. I do think we should be able to see comparisons for cost. I do believe we're owed some explanations.

However, at the same time, I do believe this system will help.

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wwhickok

Jul-26-13 11:15 AM

I know that I'm going catch flak for this and I'm not saying it's unjust but frankly, when it comes to the city of Williamsport, if what I was told yesterday is true, I don't care about other locales. They have their own budgets, mayors, police dept. etc. I'm concerned with Williamsport. Yes, 360k is a lot of cash but it's also a city that really needs a solution to crime.

Why should Williamsport help other locales from a financial stand point if other locales are not going to help us? That door swings both ways. As far as the system benefiting locales from a cooperation and awareness standpoint, I believe it will.

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enigma

Jul-26-13 10:33 AM

On the question of cost, it really should be asked if the same thing could be done for less. What if a similar or even superior system could be bought for less? $360K is a lot of money for Williamsport and our public officials owe it to the taxpayer to try and do better. It's easy to say that it needs to be done to help reduce crime, but what if the price was $3.6 million? Would it still be something that had to be done? We don't have any answers because we have only been told why we need this. We haven't been shown any comparisons to other options and yes there are other options. The police are taking advantage of the recent shootings to get what they want even though it may be more than they need. That's how a city gets to be Detroit.

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enigma

Jul-26-13 10:16 AM

The writer does owe us an explanation of the connection between the cost of the system and the misbehavior of some of our police officers. However, the mayor and DA owe us an explanation for why these misbehaving officers are still working and not in jail. I know that I would feel better about spending money on law enforcement if I could trust the department which would be using the technology. Most of Williamsport's police are trustworthy, but those who are not and go unpunished hurt the credibility of the whole department and even law enforcement in general.

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SteelerFan

Jul-26-13 9:51 AM

NoBud: 'As for the need, anything that can help our officers be more efficient in reaction to and prevention of crime is a good thing.'

I agree to an extent Bud but 360K from a poor community like Williamsport is some serious cash. I don't know much at all about this proposed system but would hope that it could be accessed county-wide and help other locales.

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nobud74

Jul-26-13 8:07 AM

360K sounds like quite a bit, but maybe with installation fees, training, etc. it comes to that. As for the need, anything that can help our officers be more efficient in reaction to and prevention of crime is a good thing.

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BillTriumph

Jul-26-13 7:43 AM

Unlike Mr. Kelly, I asked Captain Miller how this technology would help the police and improve public safety. His answers convinced me that the system will free officers from archaic administrative tasks, help them to ID crime patterns and "hot spots", and make information available to officers "real time" eliminating delay associated with paper file searching... but in no way should you allow that to influence your misinformed cynical and jaundiced attitude, as I know you have a like minded following of naysayers.

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wwhickok

Jul-26-13 6:25 AM

The new Computer system is supposed to create a data base for known and suspected criminals is it not? Basically a way to keep tabs on and quickly track criminals and gather information the way I understand it.

It's a positive thing imo.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-26-13 4:45 AM

While some of the actions you listed are unfortunate, the agencies you listed are staffed by humans and no job or agency is going to be immune from people that make mistakes. What this has to do with the new computer system, I have no idea.

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USABorn

Jul-26-13 3:47 AM

"$360,000 for a computer records system? Let's see, a police officer stole from evidence room, fireman was convicted dealing drugs, recently two officers were convicted in county drug task force, a codes officer quits after an affair, a captain was found guilty in civil court, over Little League baseball pins. The taxpayers really don't need to be reminded, do they?"

Mr. Kelley....are you referring to the editorial on the new computer system or what? The editorial didn't mention any of the things you listed in your lte.

Why would you think that the things you have listed is the reason for the computer system?

A good computer system can be a great tool for the police dept. Why would you object to anything that can help them in trying to clean up some of the lawlessness in WMSPT?

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