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Hearing touches on environmental issues

July 27, 2013

While most of the focus was on the economic impacts of shale production at Friday’s field hearing by the Congressional Natural Gas Caucus, the environmental side came into the conversation, as well....

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nobud74

Jul-28-13 6:13 AM

As I suspected. Lots of disagrees, but no factual rebuttal.

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WendyLynneLee

Jul-27-13 8:37 PM

This caucus was nothing but a "love fest" between elected representatives and the gas industry--prettied up for public consumption without public input. The idea that the questions posed by our representatives--all of them invested in one way or another in the success of fracking ventures--were anything other than contrived prompts for the ancillary industry respondents to advertise for their businesses is absurd. None even mentioned the contribution of methane to climate change, and the presupposition that jobs sanctify absolutely any environmental outrage went entirely unquestioned. Every one of these "representatives" should be ashamed for having participated in this cynical mockery of democracy, and so too every industry charlatan on these panels.

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DavidBross

Jul-27-13 7:02 PM

"We want our future generations to say 'Thank you,' not 'What the*****were you thinking?'" Coolidge said." I still think NY is taking a more mature and responsible view regarding drilling. I am unimpressed with how our state has handled drilling.

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nobud74

Jul-27-13 6:51 PM

Well done, Erik. I am sure you will get nobody from the left to counter your factual presentations. And, that is golden!

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eriklatranyi

Jul-27-13 12:55 PM

Here's another annoying FACT:

“Today, we produce more natural gas than anybody else...So we’re producing energy. And these advances have grown our economy, they’ve created new jobs, they can’t be shipped overseas. And, by the way, they’ve also helped drive our carbon pollution to its lowest levels in nearly 20 years. Since 2006, no country on Earth has reduced its total carbon pollution by as much as the United States of America.”

--President Barack Obama, June 25, 2013 at Georgetown University

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eriklatranyi

Jul-27-13 12:33 PM

Texas:

As someone who has tried to hold educational conversations with the opposition, it usually ends up similar to this forum.....the anti-domestic energy people refuse to accept information from anyone, including the DEP, EPA and DOE.

They claim we are lying and that the sources of information contrary to their own beliefs are paid-off by the industry.

I have said before, it is like trying to tell KKK members that black citizens are not inferior mentally.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-27-13 12:03 PM

Cont>>>

I have often thought about when I was back in the area to hold a forum/dialogue myself in maybe a church or other small setting as an information exchange and education process. I don't know how it would be received. I had an approximate 30 min conversation with several members of our church after service when I was home in late May and it was a good exchange. But I have known some of those people for years and they were willing to listen and ask good questions because they were not prejudgemental. If there were people that were attacking or prejudgemental, I don't know how well I would deal with them because public speaking is not something that I do real well.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-27-13 11:55 AM

Cont>>

Through history there has been a lot of learning and improvements through past mistakes.

Many of the regulations that are in place and the appropriate regulatory agencies do a good job.

There are unscrupulous people, untrained people, and those willing to take a shortcut. They need to be dealt with but are not representative of the entire industry.

People from TX, LA, OK, etc need to modify practices so they fit into the local geographical considerations.

People are quick to point a finger at the gas industry but don't understand their own negative impacts to the environment whether how they consume energy, chemicals under their sink, chemicals in their garage or medicines in their cabinet.

Cont>>>

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-27-13 11:54 AM

"the industry garners an unusual amount of "misinformation.".....the conversation was one-sided.........there are "two sides to the truth," and both were not presented"

GysgtUSMC,

You see the above comments from the article and they are all true but as Erik stated some people will disrupt a meeting to shut out other opinions.

From the S/G LTE forum, I have found several things:

Some people don't understand the terminology and aspects of the different work and misuse it or lump it all together.

Some people don't understand that there is a history with fracing and that it is not new technology and has a proven track record.

Cont>>

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-27-13 11:09 AM

Erik, yea I never have been to one of the meetings but I can imagine emotions probably run pretty high and not much gets accomplished. I guess I can understand why they wouldn't want constant interruptions. Maybe their meeting agenda could have included a block at the end for comments from the public. That way if it gets out of hand you can just end the meeting. I think it just gives more ammunition to the nay sayers when they make it one sided, no matter how unfounded their argument may be.

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nobud74

Jul-27-13 10:49 AM

Nice facts Erik! Too bad your efforts will be for naught.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-27-13 9:05 AM

GysgtUSMC:

There are plenty of open hearings. The problem is that the open hearings become targets for activists who shut down all debate and do nobody a service.

Here is another FACT that the anti-domestic energy crowd refuses to acknowledge:

According to the U.S. Department of Energy, fracking requires just 0.6 to 5.8 gallons of water per million Btu of energy produced. By comparison, “renewable” and “sustainable” corn-based ethanol requires 2,510 to 29,100 gallons per million Btu of usable energy -- and biodiesel from soybeans consumes an astounding and unsustainable 14,000 to 75,000 gallons of water per million Btu!

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-27-13 7:22 AM

Erik, personally I base my opinion on this matter on facts. I started out middle of the road listening to both sides of the argument and researched the facts from both sides. Currently I am leaning in favor of the industry, as long as they abide by regulations and the regulators do their job. I do think a lot of the hysteria against the industry is without merit and recently studies have supported such. The fact is this country is sitting on a huge clean burning resource that can't be ignored. However, shutting out public opinion in a meeting where both industry and government were present, is not the way to garner public support.

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eriklatranyi

Jul-27-13 7:08 AM

GysgtUSMC:

The 75% figure is just another lie from the anti-domestic energy groups who would rather see DC spend your tax money on Solyndra and shell corporations owned by donors to the Democrats.

If these anti-domestic energy people would stick to the facts, they would have littoe to complain about.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-27-13 6:31 AM

I stand corrected. The article announcing this meeting stated that it would be open to the public but would allow no public comment. Not only one sided, but very unfair.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-27-13 6:19 AM

I have heard figures thrown around that 75% of the people in this area are against this industry and their methods of drilling. My question is, if you all feel so strongly about your position, and you have the facts behind you, in a city of 30k, why was there only 55 people at this event? I would think you would want your voices to be heard especially when you have government and industry all at the same venue. I assume this was an open meeting.

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