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July 30, 2013

It is a common mis-conception that landlords are wealthy. We're just having a grand old time with all the money you pay in rent. So lets see where that money actually goes....

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wwhickok

Aug-01-13 6:36 AM

Dannygirl, thank you for explaining the situation a little more, makes more sense to me now. Unfortunately, there probably isn't a lot you can do for that. Though, the landlord/tenant registration, would help, in theory you'd be able to track where a tenant has lived. So you'd know whether or not the information they're providing you is truthful. Again that's all in theory.

Like there are a lot of slumlords there are also a lot of slumnants. It really does go both ways, it's not always the landlord at fault.

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fujack2

Jul-31-13 8:26 PM

I am a former landlord in Williamsport I say former because after the hassle it has been to get my tenant out I will never rent again.The tenant was given an eviction notice in October 2012 and to this day some of his property is still in the rental unit. This man had a little legal knowledge so I have been hit with every appeal possible concerning the eviction. He finally lost possession of his property in June so now I am stuck with the task of disposing of the property. I was left with the water bill as well as tons of garbage to haul off because the guy was a hoarder. Laws need to be changed to protect the landlord more and if a tenant owes a water bill it should not be the responsibility of the landlord to pay it.

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Dannygirl

Jul-31-13 10:45 AM

wwhickok....we did do and always do reference checks prior to offering the rental. There is no way that the references could have been actual previous landlords for the tenants based on the references we got vs the tenants they turned out to be. My guess is the references were friends of theirs. I feel bad for the landlord that the moved into as we never recieved a call to check references so they either didn't check references or they were given false references as well. We did at least file suites against them and won both times so when they look to move all the potential landlord has to do is run a check at the court house. Too many landlords don't do this (file suite) and the leach tenant just moves from place to place screwing one landlord after another. As long as the judgement is kept up to date they can't buy a house and it shows up on their credit. I will get the last laugh in the end as it will follow them and warn all future landlords to stay away.

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wwhickok

Jul-31-13 6:26 AM

-continued-

is a good tenant. Perhaps this Landlord/Tenant registration would make it a little easier for everyone.

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wwhickok

Jul-31-13 6:25 AM

Honestly, I've only ever been a tenant, I've never been a landlord, but if there wasn't profit in being a landlord, no matter how small the margin of profit, people wouldn't do it.

More than likely however, a lot of landlords started out doing it prior to the margin of profit being so small. Mortgages and utility costs of risen quite a bit over the years. As a landlord you have the right to do background checks and reference checks, etc. The VERY first thing you should be doing is checking references and work information.

Dannygirl, you said a previous tenant lied on the application, did you check the references before or after they moved in? Because if you did so after the fact, that is your mistake. If you find someone is lying on an application, don't rent to them, period.

There are a few good landlords out there, a few. But I've got to say that I think there are a lot more greed driven and/or slumlords out there. It's as hard to find a good landlord these days as it

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mikekerstetter

Jul-31-13 5:56 AM

michaelpaternostro-"krazyk- i started with "enigma" DAH !Wasn't talking to you. Whatever."

Just in case you haven't figured it out.... this is an open forum and your comments, even if directed to someone specific, are subject comments from other posters.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-30-13 8:54 PM

With that high a water usage, someone must be taking a lot of long warm showers!

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-30-13 8:48 PM

CarlHiller, Thank you for the information. It sounds like once the renter gets in, they can be hard to dig out if they want to abuse the system.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-30-13 5:52 PM

Thanks enooughalready, sorry I questioned it. I'll admit my bill is almost that high too and I don't feel we waste water. We do however live in a very old home that I'm sure doesn't have all the newer water saving devices that newer homes have.

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enoughalready

Jul-30-13 2:48 PM

Yes, Gynsgt that is correct. Using my own water bill I determined I pay $10.60 per 1,000 gallons sewer and &4.95 per 1,000 gallons water. Thus using those rates I determined she used between 19,000 and 20,000 gallons that quarter. Sewage is calculated based on water usage if you were unaware.

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-30-13 2:05 PM

Francine please let's not make this a black/white thing. I think we got our share of that the last few weeks. I don't think it's a lack of compassion, I think a lot of people are just fed up about the rising number of people looking for handouts. Welfare spending is up 37% and almost 50 million people are now on food stamps. Yet we are being told by the administration that unemployment is dropping and the economy is getting stronger. The public assistance numbers sure aren't reflecting that. Either that or people just don't have any desire to take care of themselves and their families. Is it right that people are fed up, maybe not. Is it understandable? Absolutely.

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michaelpaternostro

Jul-30-13 2:04 PM

reading along and thinking OMG! just pay your bills, keyword YOURS, nobody elses just YOURS! I would work as many jobs as possible to pay my bills, I would not ever expect anybody to pay my way. Just pay your bills and be done with this, or send them to Francine, 11 disagrees, get the message Francine?

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GysgtUSMC

Jul-30-13 1:44 PM

Enough already, I don't think that is correct. The rate hikes that took place are for the sewage portion of the bill which is billed at a much higher rate than water. Did you figure that in when you estimated her water usage?

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michaelpaternostro

Jul-30-13 1:14 PM

krazyk- i started with "enigma" DAH !Wasn't talking to you. Whatever. They probably are his fault in some way, your right!

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KrazyK

Jul-30-13 12:50 PM

michaelpaternostro says: ..."this is what Obama wants, dependency, he said he was going to fundamentally change the United States of America, he wasn't lying. Lets give some more warplanes to Egypt and keep paying the Fort Hood shooter (who should have been executed almost immediately) and spend millions more suing states that want a voter ID law via Eric Holder (race baiter). This is what you get with Obama and Hillary will be next. Give it all away, the working class will pay for it. They don't care."

Landlord issues in Billtown are Obama's fault. I agree and I too am angry because I have no idea when he's going to fix that pothole that he caused on the Hepburn St. on ramp.

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CarlHiller

Jul-30-13 12:29 PM

ToTEXASfromPA - "Can a landlord develop a contract that has different contractual terms and settlement/eviction language that is tougher than the state laws?" Yes there are certain changes that can be made. But a landlord cannot forcibly remove, change locks or restrict tenant from the premises, no matter what the lease states. A tenant can only be removed with court assistance, so the issue of eviction only changes by a matter of days. Leases of a year or less require a 10 day notice, of more than a year 30 days, for non-payment of rent unless otherwise noted in the lease. The landlord still must start the eviction process through a magisterial office. The time frames due to appeals and the laws own timing mechanisms to remove a non-paying tenant can stretch into a few months costing landlord not only money but time.

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enoughalready

Jul-30-13 12:19 PM

If Ms. Coffer lives within city boundaries her $300.00 WMWA bill means she used between 19,000 and 20,000 gallons of water that quarter. That my friends is a lot of water....

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Dannygirl

Jul-30-13 10:22 AM

Continued....

We have great tenants now but are still paying for the previous tenants damage and they have been gone for over a year. It is not ealy being a good landlord but it is important to us to keep our property up nice. It is hrad to find good honest tenants who pay their rent and don't try to leech off of others/ When you have a good tenant you try to do everything you can to keep them so they are few and far between. I am warry of people who move around too much...

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Dannygirl

Jul-30-13 10:18 AM

I am a small time landord who owns 1 renal. We have the water/sewer/trash included in our rent (after a previous tenant didn't pay the bill). After you take into account the morgage, taxes, insurance and and the bills listed above that we pay we are spending over $900 a month just on the bare necessaties. We get $1000 a month in rent. People are always complaining that rent is too high but we are left with a very low profit margin on our rental. Our last tenants gave us false references and were constantly complaing about everything as well as not paying rent on time habitually. We tried to work with them for too long and eventually had to file for eviction. We have 2 judgements against them and doubt we will ever see the money. I did try to attach wages but they lied on the form and the only way to prove they lied was to hire a lawyer as they are not required to provide paystubs to prove inclome. The laws are stacked against landlords.

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CitizenX

Jul-30-13 9:50 AM

sigh---a, ran out of space with no warning. I wish either the amount of space would be increased or there would be some character count of warning of some sort that space was running out.

To continue....

At the time, the water company told me the bill was not for a specific person, but for service at that address. So, I had to pay the previous tenant's bill in order to have water turned on. I don't remember the amount, but it was nowhere in the range of what we pay now---I'm thinking I had to pay around $60 or so. But to have water, I had to pay it.

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CitizenX

Jul-30-13 9:46 AM

I don't have any idea if landlord/tenant laws have changed in the last 20+ years, but in reading these comments I remembered what happened to me many years ago.

I rented a place that the tenant was responsible for all utilities. The landlord had all utilities shut off the day the last tenant left--and I found out later that that was his routine procedure even if the new tenant was moving in within a day or days of the previous tenant's departure. So, in order to have utilities I had to call and make arrangements to have them turned on and billed in my name. As it happened, the previous tenant had not paid the water and sewer bill, so in order for me to have them turned on the overdue bill had to be paid. The landlord since the utilities were not included he had no responsibility to pay any of those bills and if I wanted water I had to deal with the water company myself. At the time, the water company told me the bill was not for a specific person, but for service at that addre

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michaelpaternostro

Jul-30-13 8:52 AM

enigma- this is what Obama wants, dependency, he said he was going to fundamentally change the United States of America, he wasn't lying. Lets give some more warplanes to Egypt and keep paying the Fort Hood shooter (who should have been executed almost immediately) and spend millions more suing states that want a voter ID law via Eric Holder (race baiter). This is what you get with Obama and Hillary will be next. Give it all away, the working class will pay for it. They don't care.

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MrShaman

Jul-30-13 8:20 AM

"So he got free money to put in 8 new heating systems so he could make the tenants pay their own heating bill.

Even though he was a decent landlord, we all felt we were taken advantage of in that situation." - mikekerstetter

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Gee...I'd assume any good libertarian would have PREFERRED paying their own bills.

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localguy

Jul-30-13 8:10 AM

continued: So with these losses, it hurts landlords and ultimately the property. This is why some are in such disrepair. As another poster put, sell them if you cannot afford to pay the upkeep; this is true. Laws do protect the tenant and it makes it very difficult for landlords to collect backrent. I only wish the Gov't cared more for landlords like myself. It is a simple fix to upgrade the laws to help protect us, but they wont do it. As long as they get their tax dollars, all is right in their world. Thanks for letting me rant some!

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localguy

Jul-30-13 8:05 AM

Francine, so nice smiles will get you to pay a bill? Heck, mine goes from ear to ear then! Lets view it this way from a Landlord. I have a few properties and rent is fair and below the average. 1 for instance is $750 due every month and tenants will cover all other bills. Rent is paid as normal but this 1 month, no rent payment and the eviction process begins. Fortunately for me, they move; but still owe the back rent. Now the property needs cleaned, painted and minor repairs; costing about $1k, plus 1 more month of no rent.Oh don't let me forget, a late water bill of $110! New ads go up and we are seeking a good future tenant. Another month goes by and no rent.Now lets add this up, 750x3, 1k, 110. $3,360.Security deposit of $750=$2610 loss. This does not happen all the time, but that loss was money that could have been put back into the property. These properties are college funds, retirement accounts and other things for landlords.

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