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Slipshod

July 31, 2013

NHS lessons for Obamacare by Cal Thomas is a slipshod, sloppy and inaccurate piece of reporting consisting of anecdotal references and sensational headlines....

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CaveFelem

Aug-01-13 6:06 PM

While obesity is a major problem, it's not the only one. There are people who drink too much, smoke cigarettes, take other drugs, and just don't eat right.

I'm overweight, much to my chagrin, but I eat measured portions of food (and am quite hungry all the time), fruits, veggies, lean meat, etc. I have a coworker who drinks Monster energy drinks and smokes cigarettes. She's thin as a rail, but I've never seen her eat actual food. Seeing us side by side, people would assume I am unhealthy just because I'm not the stick figure.

My Mom is very thin, yet has high cholesterol, even while eating a next to vegetarian diet and exercising regularly.

Please keep in mind there are many factors that contribute to overall health, and also remember don't get on your high horse about obese people. The same government that will put them on a diet will come after your caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, and sugar next.

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JerryfromRI

Aug-01-13 3:43 PM

It appears to me that the GOP is only party of state's rights, small government and a free market when it suits them.

But please, show me the error of my ways.

Or, just have another drink.

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Ritty77

Aug-01-13 12:38 PM

Drink.

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JerryfromRI

Aug-01-13 11:26 AM

"They want to reform malpractice liability, allow for interstate competition for insurance plans, promote health savings accounts, for example."

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Tort reform is taking the power from the people, a jury of your peers, and giving it to the government, the law.

Insurance crossing state lines is the Federal government usurping the sovereignty of the state.

Promoting Health saving accounts is the government interfering with the free market.

The GOP doesn't even know what it stands for anymore. And, IMHO, it will turn on all of the above idea if the Democrats ever embrace them, just like they did with the mandatory coverage requirement of Obamacare.

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gavinf56

Aug-01-13 11:10 AM

I know Chuck, those facts just make your head explode, don't they, so then you have to resort to trolling.

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CMReeder

Aug-01-13 9:26 AM

See Gavin is at it again, nowhere.

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gavinf56

Aug-01-13 5:35 AM

...and a quick note on the President Obama comment, while he did make that comment during the 2008 Presidential campaign, it was found that he overstated the cost savings by a lot (I know, imagine that).

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gavinf56

Aug-01-13 5:31 AM

Mike, the negative effects that obesity has on our health are well documented and known. Do you really think that by going to a doctor and having them tell you that you are overweight that you are now going to have an epiphany and start eating healthy and exercising? I beg to differ, for the majority all that will happen is that the will be put on a prescription to counter the current condition, again raising the cost of health care.

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gavinf56

Aug-01-13 5:28 AM

"In a quick search of rising costs factors I found it interesting that underpayment by Medicare and Medicaid and the associated cost shift (you can also include the cost shift by those who don't have either and can't pay) plus the aging population are both in the top reasons for increases in costs." - mikekerstetter

You are mostly correct Mike, but I know you remember what the we were told the causes were back in 2008 on the very boards from those on the left, "It's those greedy insurance companies and their profits." Hogwash.

Now, if obesity contributes to related health problems (high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes to name a few), and these diseases are showing up in younger and younger people because of that obesity and we are living longer, it only makes sense that our health care costs are rising.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-01-13 5:19 AM

So I think it's only natural that people who only see a Dr when they are sick during their lifetime will have more health problems when they age. If they aren't seeing medical people who would guide them to make healthy changes to their lifestyle on a regular basis it's no wonder we are less healthy. The thought just crossed my mind, Gavin, that this may also be a reason why those other countries are less obese and healthier than us. Admittedly I don't have proof of that, but it is a legitimate thought.

Here is a list of cost contributing factors that I found:

*Greater Demand for Services (A growing population, aging baby-boomers, and disease management) *New Technology *Prescription Drugs *Cost Shift Due to Under-Funded Public Programs *Government Regulation & Mandates *Medical Malpractice Liability

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mikekerstetter

Aug-01-13 5:10 AM

OK, so being fat increases your health risks. As does drinking, smoking, driving a motorcycle, playing sports (just ask my son, he's broken the same arm 3 times playing sports and had to have his ulna shortened and a metal plate put in after the last break went through the growth plate of the radius) and a myriad of other factors, including some occupations.

But that doesn't address reducing the cost and increasing the access to health care. In a quick search of rising costs factors I found it interesting that underpayment by Medicare and Medicaid and the associated cost shift (you can also include the cost shift by those who don't have either and can't pay) plus the aging population are both in the top reasons for increases in costs.

The reports I looked over says that the people are living longer but are less healthy. If they are typical of my parents, preventative care was something unheard of. They only went to the Dr if they were on the verge of death.

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USABorn

Aug-01-13 12:57 AM

MrShaman - 8:54 AM

"Whoahhhhhhhhh...a "conservative"...demanding someone's SOURCE (for their info)...as-opposed-to a typical Rush-said-so-it-must-be-true line-of-"reasoning"."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..........as-opposed-to a typical Rush-said-so-it-must-be-true line-of-"reasoning"??

TYPICAL ONLY IN SHAM'S COMMENTS!!!!

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Ritty77

Jul-31-13 11:17 PM

Jerry, the GOP plans to address healthcare with a step -by-step approach, not an overreaching and obliviously unworkable "comprehensive" law.

They want to reform malpractice liability, allow for interstate competition for insurance plans, promote health savings accounts, for example. They also like some provisions in Obamacare, such as covering pre-existing conditions.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-31-13 9:27 PM

"Just look at all the people you see at the grocery store in scooters who are enormous and are just too darn fat to walk..."

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Are those people presumed to be democrats?

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nobud74

Jul-31-13 9:23 PM

Gavin, great info. The libs won't address your facts because they don't fit their screenplay. It's too bad. They say they want a discussion but only if they are deemed omnipotent and their plans deemed infallible. Just look at all the people you see at the grocery store in scooters who are enormous and are just too darn fat to walk, then look at the junk in their baskets. I'm not unfeeling but I'm tired of paying for lousy decision making.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-31-13 7:16 PM

Gavin56,

Good info.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-31-13 7:15 PM

CMReeder, That is not what I said.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-31-13 6:41 PM

""GOP's plan B is fix the parts that are broken""

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Our Congressman Tom Marino said that after Obamacare is repealed then the country can start to have a discussion about how to fix healthcare. How come he doesn't know you guys already have a plan?

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JerryfromRI

Jul-31-13 6:40 PM

"GOP's plan B is fix the parts that are broken"

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Hey John that's fantastic! I'd like to read about the GOP's plan. I just can't seem to find it anywhere. Can you point me in the right direction?

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gavinf56

Jul-31-13 6:15 PM

Facts source: the CDC "Facts About Obesity in the United States"

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gavinf56

Jul-31-13 6:14 PM

Fact: Obesity-related costs place a huge burden on the U.S. economy

Direct health costs attributable to obesity have been estimated at $52 billion in 1995 and $75 billion in 2003.

Among children and adolescents, annual hospital costs related to overweight and obesity more than tripled over the past two decades – rising to $127 million during 1997–1999 (in 2001 constant U.S. dollars), up from $35 million during 1979–1981.

Among adults in 1996, one study found that $31 billion of the treatment costs (in year 2000 dollars) for cardiovascular disease – 17% of direct medical costs – were related to overweight and obesity.

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gavinf56

Jul-31-13 6:13 PM

Fact: Most people still do not practice healthy behaviors that can prevent obesity The primary behaviors causing the obesity epidemic are well known and preventable: physical inactivity and unhealthy diet. Despite this knowledge:

• Only about 25% of U.S. adults eat the recommended five or more servings of fruits and vegetables each day. • Less than 25% of adolescents eat the recommended five or more servings of fruits and vegetables each day. • More than 50% of American adults do not get the recommended amount of physical activity to provide health benefits. • More than a third of young people in grades 9–12 do not regularly engage in vigorous physical activity.

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gavinf56

Jul-31-13 6:12 PM

Fact: Obesity is already having an adverse impact on young people

• Type 2 diabetes – once believed to affect only adults – is now being diagnosed among young people. • In some communities almost half of the pediatric diabetes cases are type 2, when in the past the total was close to zero. Although childhood-onset Type 2 diabetes is still a rare condition, overweight children with this disease are at risk of suffering the serious complications of diabetes as adults, such as kidney disease, blindness, and amputations. • Sixty-one percent of overweight 5- to10-year-olds already have at least one risk factor for heart disease, and 26% have two or more risk factors.

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gavinf56

Jul-31-13 6:12 PM

Fact: Obesity rates are soaring in the U.S.

• Between 1980 and 2000, obesity rates doubled among adults. About 60 million adults, or 30% of the adult population, are now obese. • Similarly since 1980, overweight rates have doubled among children and tripled among adolescents – increasing the number of years they are exposed to the health risks of obesity.

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gavinf56

Jul-31-13 6:11 PM

"Well, just to emphasize how important prevention and cost savings can be in the Medicare system, it's estimated if we went back to the obesity rates that existed in 1980, that would save the Medicare system $1 trillion," - Presidential Candidate Barack Obama during the 2008 Democrat debates in Iowa.

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