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July 31, 2013

NHS lessons for Obamacare by Cal Thomas is a slipshod, sloppy and inaccurate piece of reporting consisting of anecdotal references and sensational headlines....

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Tedeaux

Jul-31-13 3:28 AM

Its also worth noting David, that Great Britain and the other 15 countries rate of taxation is much higher than here in the US. I guess everyone gets what you pay for!

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VinceKnauff

Jul-31-13 4:56 AM

Mr. Doerr - your letter is also a slipshod, sloppy and inaccurate piece of reporting consisting of anecdotal references and sensational headlines.

You quoted a study that you claimed rates us last in "life outcomes" without ever listing your source for that nor the criteria that study used to come up with such a rating. I suspect that this unnamed study rated us last solely because we do not have socialist health care.

Mr. Doerr - please reread the first couple sentences of your letter again. Perhaps you won't do precisely what you rant against next time you write here.

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gavinf56

Jul-31-13 5:26 AM

So is the longer life expediencies due to the fact they have national health care, or is it they have a better diet, eat smaller portions, engage in physical activity on a regular (daily) basis. Obesity has consequences and no amount of national healthcare will take care of that, and I don't even need to mention the segment of the population in which young males find a need to murder each other which greatly pulls down the life expectancy within that group.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-31-13 6:34 AM

Tedeaux-"Its also worth noting David, that Great Britain and the other 15 countries rate of taxation is much higher than here in the US. I guess everyone gets what you pay for!"

The question is, does the taxation for their national health care system amount to more than what we are currently paying for health care here in the US? Of course it would take a bit research so we could get an accurate number, but I believe it would be a comparable per-person amount and would result in a lot more people being covered by health insurance and sharing in it's costs.

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mikekerstetter

Jul-31-13 6:42 AM

Gavin, you raise some good points and ask some good questions. I don't believe that the health care in all those nations are better than ours. But I also know that there are a lot of the population here in the US that don't have access to that care because of their inability to pay and lack of health insurance.

I think the truth to the matter lies somewhere in between. I think we can keep our quality health care and cover more people while spreading the cost over a broader percentage of the population and control the cost through preventative health care and incentives for people to stop using expensive ER's for hangnail issues.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-31-13 6:53 AM

Mr. Doerr,

Next time you write an LTE, please take more effort in supporting your argument. I assume you are referring to the 5 year old study that came out to reinvigorate the national health insurance talks prior to legislation being shoved through the system.

"The concept of amenable mortality was developed in the 1970s to assess the quality and performance of health systems and to track changes over time. For this study, the researchers used data from the World Health Organization on deaths from conditions considered amenable to health care, such as treatable cancers, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease."--Measuring the Health of Nations: Updating an Earlier Analysis, Jan 8, 2008

The study jumps to the conclusion that the US statistics are poor because 16% of the population is uninsured but didn't even break out those with health insurance and those without. Nor does it look at how many are here illegally.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-31-13 6:54 AM

Cont>>

My conclusion is that Americans eat a lot of unhealthy food, they eat too much, they are overweight, and they don't exercise enough. The problem is being proactive in the earlier life instead of being reactive in later life.

So if we want to be "Christian-like", maybe we ought to regulate food consumption and have mandatory exercise for all. No sugar drinks, no potato chips, no cookies, no pigs ears. Go eat some vegetables.

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CMReeder

Jul-31-13 7:58 AM

LOL

So let me get this correct. Good health has nothing to do with health care or how good healthcare is and how available it is. It only has to do with diet and your weight.

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CMReeder

Jul-31-13 8:00 AM

I see Bobbie is till s*cking all the oxygen out of the room.

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gavinf56

Jul-31-13 8:02 AM

LOL, leave it to Chuck to have a reading comprehension problem.

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nobud74

Jul-31-13 8:31 AM

Actually, the UK is currently having troubles with their "wonderful" healthcare system. They have found that their system is being overrun by patients from other EU countries. They are actually considering options to deal with this, but as they are in a collective, this could prove difficult. There is no panacea. And, removing the responsibility of the patient to pay for his services encourages waste and abuse. They have no skin in the game, so they don't care. And, Gavin, you hit the nail squarely with your questions about Europe. I have visited several times and lived there for about a decade. They also abhor GMO foods and buy local fresh as much as possible.

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MrShaman

Jul-31-13 8:32 AM

"NHS lessons for Obamacare by Cal Thomas is a slipshod, sloppy and inaccurate piece of reporting consisting of anecdotal references and sensational headlines. We need to have the discussion but it hardly serves any purpose to trash the United Kingdom's healthcare system when, in fact, it outperforms ours in many areas, especially in birth outcomes. In fact, a recent study indicates we are dead last when compared to 16 European countries in life outcomes. All 16 have national healthcare." - David K. Doerr

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BIG 10-4!!!!!!!!!!!!

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See:

Q&A: T.R. Reid (YouTube)

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nobud74

Jul-31-13 8:32 AM

Gav, Chuckie can't see it, he is sitting on his head. I find it amazing that he will just argue to argue. It is like having a three year old in the room. Nap time, Chuckie?

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mikekerstetter

Jul-31-13 8:41 AM

nobud74-"Actually, the UK is currently having troubles with their "wonderful" healthcare system. They have found that their system is being overrun by patients from other EU countries."

Sounds eerily familiar; "The US currently finds it's 'wonderful' health system overrun by illegal immigrants whom they are forced to treat knowing they cannot pay."

My point being that there isn't a system out there that doesn't have it's problems and horror stories. I wish we could get past all that and have a meaningful discussion with facts about providing quality, affordable healthcare to our citizens.

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MrShaman

Jul-31-13 8:48 AM

"Its also worth noting David, that Great Britain and the other 15 countries rate of taxation is much higher than here in the US. I guess everyone gets what you pay for!" - Tedeaux

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...And, YOU get what THEY (help to) pay-for.

Whatta "tragedy".

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MrShaman

Jul-31-13 8:54 AM

Mr. Doerr - your letter is also a slipshod, sloppy and inaccurate piece of reporting consisting of anecdotal references and sensational headlines.

You quoted a study that you claimed rates us last in "life outcomes" without ever listing your source for that nor the criteria that study used to come up with such a rating." - VinceKnauff

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Whoahhhhhhhhh...a "conservative"...demanding someone's SOURCE (for their info)...as-opposed-to a typical Rush-said-so-it-must-be-true line-of-"reasoning".

Well DONE!!!

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MrShaman

Jul-31-13 8:57 AM

"So is the longer life expediencies due to the fact they have national health care, or is it they have a better diet, eat smaller portions, engage in physical activity on a regular (daily) basis." - gavinf56

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In Great Britain, they ALL get equal-consideration.

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See:

Sicko: Michael Moore Interviews A Doctor In UK (YouTube)

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gavinf56

Jul-31-13 9:05 AM

"See:

Sicko: Michael Moore Interviews A Doctor In UK (YouTube)" - MrShaman

Porky Moore! Do tell.

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gavinf56

Jul-31-13 9:08 AM

"We pay over 3x's more for the same pharmaceuticals that New Zealand. How does that happen?" - sideliner

It would be interesting to see a comparison of class action lawsuits between these 2 countries against the Pharma companies.

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CHayes

Jul-31-13 9:55 AM

"NHS lessons for Obamacare by Cal Thomas is a slipshod, sloppy and inaccurate piece of reporting consisting of anecdotal references and sensational headlines"

It should be pointed out that Cal Thomas isn't a reporter, he's an opinion writer, not a reporter. He writes editorial content, not news articles.

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MrShaman

Jul-31-13 10:40 AM

"Mr. Doerr,

Next time you write an LTE, please take more effort in supporting your argument. I assume you are referring to the 5 year old study that came out to reinvigorate the national health insurance talks prior to legislation being shoved through the system." - ToTEXASfromPA

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We...at LEAST...know that for-profit insurance-companies make every effort to DENY care, to policy-holders, for the obviou$ rea$on$.

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"...there's a measure of profitability that investors look to, and it's called a medical loss ratio. And it's unique to the health insurance industry. So, investors want that to keep shrinking. And if they see that an insurance company has not done what they think meets their expectations with the medical loss ratio, they'll punish them. Investors will start leaving in droves." - WENDELL POTTER

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See:

BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Wendell Potter | PBS (YouTube)

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VinceKnauff

Jul-31-13 10:41 AM

Whoahhhhhhhhh...a "conservative"...demanding someone's SOURCE (for their info)...as-opposed-to a typical Rush-said-so-it-must-be-true line-of-"reasoning"

Shaman - if you actually listened to Rush instead of repeating your Liberal talking points, you would know that Rush ALWAYS cites the sources he quotes.

Are you so ignorant of fact that you believe that anytime you give that stupid answer you actually are persuading anybody? Or is that the sad limit of thought ability that you are blessed with?

You might notice that Liberals here (Chuck, anybody?) are the ones that never provide sources or support for claims made. Think for yourself just once Shammy.

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Premier

Jul-31-13 5:09 PM

Vince, the Shamster did list a You Tube Video featuring {giggle} Michael Moore as a source. {Double giggle}

You know, he's the big Liberal that cares about all the poor people but won't use union labor on his {giggle again}documentaries.

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JerryfromRI

Jul-31-13 5:15 PM

What's the GOP's game plan with this whole 'shutting down the government unless Obamacare get defunded" strategy?

Let's say the GOP get's its way and Obamacare never happens. Then what?

Healthcare REALLY is broken in this country. What's the GOP plan B?

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JohnZook

Jul-31-13 6:10 PM

GOP's plan B is fix the parts that are broken, not destroy the whole thing.

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