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Questionable borrowing

August 1, 2013

Why does the Williamsport City Council want to borrow money to "enhance" Bowman Field? $400,000 to do a project that is really for sports charity is ridiculous....

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wwhickok

Aug-01-13 6:29 AM

ABSOLUTELY!!! This is a Philadelphia Phillies affiliate. Let the Phillies pay to upkeep the stadium.

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Magic1

Aug-01-13 6:41 AM

You all do realize that the city owns the stadium not the phillies hence the city is responsible for any and all issues and remodels for it? Also to the author of the letter the money from the outlaws has been recovered by selling naming rights of the field so no taxes will be raised for that reason. And money was borrowed to repair streets in the city, if I recall there was an article in the paper about it! Read and educate urself before complaining about things!

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Tgrammiex4

Aug-01-13 8:03 AM

Majic1, maintaining the stadium is one thing, remodeling it to convert the right field stands into a space to rent out for "events" is another story.No guarentee they will be able to rent this space out often enough to eventually cover the cost of a remodel.I too think the money would have been better spent on repairs to the pool, something that would be used by far more citizens than the remodeled space at the ballpark.

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Capricorn1

Aug-01-13 8:06 AM

Kirk you are spot on. This is a complete waste of tax payer money. And you wonder why parents on the west side of town are upset about the closing of memorial pool.

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Capricorn1

Aug-01-13 8:32 AM

Magic, selling the naming rights was a separate business venture and had nothing to do with the outlaws fiasco. It was a way for the mayor to try and save face. Saying all is forgiven because they got this additional money, is balancing the books like planned parenthood when they say no tax money goes to abortions. The outlaws venture is still a loss to tax payers no matter how you want to spin it.

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wwhickok

Aug-01-13 8:48 AM

Maybe they should sell the stadium to the MLB Team operating the team that operates the team that plays there.

Seriously though, maintenance is completely different from upgrades. The city has more important things, like crime fighting, job availability and roads that need upgraded.

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Magic1

Aug-01-13 10:11 AM

The pool will cost well over a million to fix, bring up to code, and maintain. Are any of you willing to have ur taxes raised to reopen the pool? Everyone has the the answer but is unwilling to pay or do anything to do it. And so what if the name rights to bowman was to save face, did the city get money back?? Yes! Who cares how! You people would complain if the mayor and council didn't think outside the box to try and get that money back! Complain, complain, complain...no matter what is done. Sad really!

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Magic1

Aug-01-13 10:16 AM

And yes there isn't a garuntee that the field would be rented but there isn't a garuntee that you'll wake up in the morning either! Lets not try to do things that could improve the city. Bands, festivals, business parties, shows, could rent out that field but lets not improve it. Lets not try to think outside the box to generate money! Lets just keep williamsport in the 1950s and not try to progress! It's thinking like that, that keeps the city down

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wwhickok

Aug-01-13 10:22 AM

"Everyone has the the answer but is unwilling to pay or do anything to do it."

That pretty much sums up some of the issues in this city. Honestly Magic, I don't disgree with you about the new upgrades at the same time, I think it's being put too far up on the priority list.

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Capricorn1

Aug-01-13 10:31 AM

Manic, even if you put the pool on the side, this city has a lot more roads than 25 that need desperate repair and that 400k could have added more roads to the list. The bottom line is bowman field does not need these renovations at this time, but the roads definitely do. That's not complaining, that's requesting that our tax dollars go to projects in the proper priority.

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Capricorn1

Aug-01-13 10:37 AM

The outlaws were a result of thinking outside the box and we all know how that turned out. We have plenty of issues inside the box that need immediate attention. I have been a Campana supporter from the start but he has disappointed me on many issues as of late.

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Magic1

Aug-01-13 10:46 AM

And the roads are goin to be fix...didn't you read the article in the paper?????????????????????????????

Again in this economy traditional means of making money aren't working...gotta do things different. Yes the outlaws didn't work out and it was a risk that didn't work, but what if the city passed and worked somewhere else. They city would have lost out on a chance to get money. No risk...no reward! The city can't stay in the 1950s frame of thinking, look at what happened with the mall that could have been downtown?!?!? But people were sacred and didn't want to take a risk!!

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Capricorn1

Aug-01-13 11:49 AM

Yes I read the article that listed 25 roads and I can think of at least 12 more off the top of my head that need repaired that aren't on the list and I'm sure if I drive around the city I could add 25 more. Yes 25 is a start, but it doesn't negate the fact that the roads and MANY other issues in this city should have a higher priority than 400k going to a baseball field that doesn't need the renovations to play or watch the game. We can agree to disagree but I personally think there are many more important issues where this money could have been better spent.

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BillTriumph

Aug-01-13 8:39 PM

Run for Council convince everyone you know how to make it all better.

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USABorn

Aug-02-13 12:33 AM

Magic1 - 10:11 AM

"The pool will cost well over a million to fix, bring up to code, and maintain. Are any of you willing to have ur taxes raised to reopen the pool? Everyone has the the answer but is unwilling to pay or do anything to do it."

Magic1, I rarely comment on LTE's concerning Wmspt UNLESS it's something that I am directly affected by.

But, I have a question. Is the pool in question free to all, or is there a charge to use it?

At our pool, you can pay when you enter (like a movie), or you can get various memberships, i.e., individual, family, etc. There is also a refreshment stand that makes a nice profit.

The money is used to pay lifeguards, someone to man the refreshment stand, and the balance goes for maintenance. When something expensive comes up and there isn't enough money to cover it, we have a community drive for funds.

NO pool operated by a community for public use should be free. It doesn't make fiscal sense.

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Magic1

Aug-02-13 12:52 AM

You pay to enter but I have attend meetings and read articles. It's more than just simply reopening the pool. The entire pool needs to be removed and rebuilt for several reasons 1. The pool itself is gone, meaning there are cracks in the concrete. 2. The pool will need to be brought up to ADA standard meaning the pool will have to rebuilt with a handicap entrance to the pool among other things to comply with the act. 3. The whole filtering syste, pumps, plumbing etc is out of date and code. Everything I've heard meetings and articles in the paper to reopen the pool will cost well over a million dollars.

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USABorn

Aug-02-13 3:10 AM

Magic1 - 12:52 AM "Everything I've heard meetings and articles in the paper to reopen the pool will cost well over a million dollars."

I still suggest a community drive. Start by going door to door and asking for a donation. If people want it badly enough, they will find a way to make the money. Don't forget local companies/businesses - they budget money for charity each year.

The department of water and land conservation provides grant money in the form of a sharing type grant. 55/45. Go to ****nps.gov (National Park Service). There isn't a lot of money available there but anything will help.

Wmspt government should be willing to help also. Maybe the Wmspt Foundation.

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USABorn

Aug-02-13 3:12 AM

wwwDOTnpsDOTgov

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catmantwo

Aug-02-13 9:59 AM

The city owns the field, not the Phillies. The Crosscutters are not a charity. They make money and bring in lots of money to the city and local businesses. If we lose our minor league team it will have an real economic impact on the city. Other cities our size would love to have a minor league baseball team in residence. We are very fortunate in Williamsport to have a team.

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Magic1

Aug-02-13 11:19 AM

The crosscutters barely bring in anyone....the only time that park is filled to see a game is when they either have fireworks or pack the park (free admission). Go to a game on a Friday night....the lot is barely full! I live near the field I see it everyday! The cutters make a lot of money for themselves not the city!

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