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Legislator hosts talk about self-defense laws

August 2, 2013

In the wake of a recent string of gun violence, many locals turned out to learn more about the state’s personal protection laws during an informational meeting held Thursday evening at Tripoli......

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spike2

Aug-03-13 8:31 AM

Shaman - what the heck is wrong with you. Tripoli's is a great place. Why not have the meeting there. I'm going to guess those in attendance already own weapons. Tripoli's has a range and training. I would hope the new gun owners would get some training. Why do you embarrass yourself daily? You go after Cave like there is something wrong with acquiring possessions through work. Stop being pathetic and pretending the use of deadly force is difficult to understand. Yes, Stand Your Ground, is complex, but still understandable. Maybe you will get it when you are a victim instead of a B.S. Artist.

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MrShaman

Aug-03-13 6:53 AM

Richard2013,

Maybe you can post your address for everyone to come visit and "borrow" a few items." - ToTEXASfromPA

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Not to worry. I'm sure there are MANY "good Christians", like yourself, who'd be MORE-than-happy to explain the "error" of his ways.

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MrShaman

Aug-03-13 6:48 AM

@Richard2013 "We have become so connected to materialism that we are willing to kill another human being to obtain or protect "stuff"."

Sir, I respectfully disagree. Many of us have not done this. Many of us work hard, save our money, live within our means, and if that means going without the latest gadget, smart phone, new TV, new tablet, etc., we go without. We may want those things, and have to wait a while until we save up the cash to buy it, but we wait or do without." - CaveFelem

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You'll never make it, as a marketplace-friendly Yuppie, with THAT kind of attitude!!!!

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MrShaman

Aug-03-13 6:43 AM

"Does the irony escape anyone? Here we have (most likely) law abiding citizens trying to gain an understanding of their rights and limitations when it comes to protecting life and property. The criminals on the other hand have no such interest or concerns on the rights and limitations when it comes to assaulting people or taking a life or property. If you held a seminar I bet not one person would come." - BillTriumph

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...UNLESS, of course, you were in-the-business of selling weapons.

"irony", indeed.

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MrShaman

Aug-03-13 6:40 AM

"Deadly force is acceptable only if the victim believes he or she is at risk of severe injury or death, kidnapping, or sexual assault. We have no idea what their intentions are but they have already proven they have no respect for the law and no fear of the person in the home. I already feel the threat as potentially life threatening and the use of deadly force warranted." - TatsPap

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Good Luck, with that!!!

See:

'No-Knock' Drug Raids Challenged After Shooting of Elderly Woman

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MrShaman

Aug-03-13 6:31 AM

"the law seems to be the only thing that values the life of a criminal who is going to traumatize the life of a good law abiding citazen. just like the drug thugs. let them shoot each other..." - biobabycj

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Yeah...that always seemed to be one o' the many "benefits" o' The War On Alcohol.

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MrShaman

Aug-03-13 6:25 AM

"Nobody has the right to enter your home for any reason, at any time,especially after midnight, without your permission." - catmantwo

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I'm sure there are plenty o' DEA-agents, who'd appreciate your sense-of-humor.

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MrShaman

Aug-03-13 6:20 AM

"Any one who comes into my house with harmful intent or in any way injures any of my loved ones is getting a bullit in the dome." - metalhead

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Good Luck, with that! Too-often, that's been the intent of folks who'd been "No Knocked" (at the wrong address)...and, ended-up dead.

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MrShaman

Aug-03-13 6:14 AM

"But there is an ugliness that is sweeping the land that is vengeful, territorial, primitive and deadly.

We have become so connected to materialism that we are willing to kill another human being to obtain or protect "stuff". Now we want be clear about the law because we don't want to go to jail if we shoot someone. And we expect to shoot soon." - Richard2013

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BINGO!!!!

With times, as hard as they are, presently...TOO-often it seems, there are too many people, who are so frustrated by Life (in-general)...they're arming themselves to blow-away SOMEONE...somehow.

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MrShaman

Aug-03-13 6:07 AM

"That's part of the problem with this world is run don't stand up for yourself. If people would stand up for themselves I feel there would be less bullying and assaults." - DumberThanSome

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I'm sorry, but...this almost sounds like something John Wayne might have said...right after the Tonkin Gulf "incident".

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jjs8282

Aug-03-13 1:07 AM

I wouldn't be protecting my "stuff" if they want it they can have it. However, I will protect my babies. As a parent that is my job. I will do anything to protect them.

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RexJag

Aug-02-13 8:51 PM

If anyone breaks into my home, they'll WISH I would have simply shot them...

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-02-13 7:50 PM

Richard2013,

Maybe you can post your address for everyone to come visit and "borrow" a few items.

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nobud74

Aug-02-13 7:43 PM

Those who are determined to defend themselves, their loved ones and their property with deadly force don't take the responsibility lightly. We hope it never comes to that, we hope we are never put in a situation where we need to exert such force. However, we are prepared to do so since our attacker is prepared to do so.

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Ritty77

Aug-02-13 6:39 PM

Well said, Cave.

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CaveFelem

Aug-02-13 5:58 PM

@Richard2013 "We have become so connected to materialism that we are willing to kill another human being to obtain or protect "stuff"."

Sir, I respectfully disagree. Many of us have not done this. Many of us work hard, save our money, live within our means, and if that means going without the latest gadget, smart phone, new TV, new tablet, etc., we go without. We may want those things, and have to wait a while until we save up the cash to buy it, but we wait or do without. We don't shove a gun in someone's face or sneak into their home and take what we want.

There is a segment of our population that thinks they can just take what they want. They have no right to do this, and they're criminals, yet we are supposed to be so careful about their rights, and try to figure out their motivations while defending ourselves. What about my rights to be secure in my home? I think that trumps the criminal's rights every time.

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BillTriumph

Aug-02-13 1:53 PM

Does the irony escape anyone? Here we have (most likely) law abiding citizens trying to gain an understanding of their rights and limitations when it comes to protecting life and property. The criminals on the other hand have no such interest or concerns on the rights and limitations when it comes to assaulting people or taking a life or property. If you held a seminar I bet not one person would come.

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TatsPap

Aug-02-13 12:33 PM

"The force used in retaliation must be equal to the threat," Biichle said. If someone enters your home in any other way than using the door after being invited is a threat. If that same person does this knowing that you are probably home is an even bigger threat. This person does this knowing that there may be a confrontation with the person or persons inside and is still willing to proceed. I would have to believe that they came prepared. Deadly force is acceptable only if the victim believes he or she is at risk of severe injury or death, kidnapping, or sexual assault. We have no idea what their intentions are but they have already proven they have no respect for the law and no fear of the person in the home. I already feel the threat as potentially life threatening and the use of deadly force warranted.

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biobabycj

Aug-02-13 10:53 AM

oh excuse me for being a layman, and probably get heck for this, but, you want to cut down on criminals, just let people protect.. criminal needs taken care of pow pow.. no more criminal. one less off the street. the law seems to be the only thing that values the life of a criminal who is going to traumatize the life of a good law abiding citazen. just like the drug thugs. let them shoot each other... kill each other off. less thugs on the street.

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catmantwo

Aug-02-13 9:50 AM

Sorry I can't spell "police".

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catmantwo

Aug-02-13 9:49 AM

Nobody has the right to enter your home for any reason, at any time,especially after midnight, without your permission. I do not believe any jury would fault a homeowner for beating or shooting an intruder for any reason at that time. The poilce can't be everywhere at once, especially in small towns. It is up to YOU to protect yourself and your family.

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Richard2013

Aug-02-13 9:25 AM

A friend asked me recently, what if I get mugged? Am I supposed to just let them take the things that I worked so hard for?

I answered, yes. There is no property more valuable than life itself. That includes the life of the criminal. But there is an ugliness that is sweeping the land that is vengeful, territorial, primitive and deadly.

We have become so connected to materialism that we are willing to kill another human being to obtain or protect "stuff". Now we want be clear about the law because we don't want to go to jail if we shoot someone. And we expect to shoot soon.

Great idea, have a discussion about gun violence at a gun dealer's shop. Have we become a nation of George Zimmermans?

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metalhead

Aug-02-13 8:44 AM

Any one who comes into my house with harmful intent or in any way injures any of my loved ones is getting a bullit in the dome.

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DumberThanSome

Aug-02-13 8:06 AM

I like the part where they say to run away from your attacker. Cmon do you think they will let you run away? That's part of the problem with this world is run don't stand up for yourself. If people would stand up for themselves I feel there would be less bullying and assaults. So stand up for yourselves. Nobody can protect you better than you.

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BillTriumph

Aug-02-13 7:27 AM

Much to do about nothing. "Justifiable" homicide in this country represents 2% of homicides... and that includes actions by law enforcement.We should be concerned with public safety. As the joke also goes (Chuck Schumer) "...the most dangerous place in the world is standing between a politician and a camera/reporter."

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