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August 7, 2013

It is a PR nightmare: In a town that desperately depends on college students and Little League Baseball, a heroin epidemic and a wave of violence hurt's Williamsport's image as a safe plac....

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ScienceIsKing

Aug-08-13 9:17 AM

I honestly don't see why people are scared of Williamsport? If you mind your own business and are not into illegal activities, you are fine and very safe. I live between downtown and the Shamrock and I have never had an issue. I feel very safe walking around. There is violence and drugs wherever you go.

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wwhickok

Aug-08-13 9:01 AM

Sham, Do you know what they call someone who thinks the term for an Armed Neighborhood Watch member depends on his race?

RACIST!

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USABorn

Aug-07-13 11:36 PM

MrShaman - 8:42 AM

"Per recent-news...I guess that'd depend on his ethnicity."

Didn't take Sham long to bring racism into the conversation! But, being the racist he is, he's very good at that.

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BillTriumph

Aug-07-13 7:02 PM

There were 50.9Mil. visitors to NYC in 2011. That same year there were 515 murders, the third lowest number in 50 years. While we should be concerned for public safety and Williamsport's image, it would be an exaggeration to say that Williamsport would be regarded as more unsafe than NYC (for example).

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mikekerstetter

Aug-07-13 6:19 PM

spike2-"You can't utilize the Sheriff's Department."

Another area where PA is backwards from other states. PA has our Sheriffs so limited in power that they just barely qualify as Law Enforcement.

That isn't meant to downplay the dangers that the Sheriff department faces. But the Sheriff's office ought to have the same enforcement powers as our police departments, including traffic stops and crime investigation.

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nobud74

Aug-07-13 4:14 PM

Well said, Capricorn. Thx.

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Capricorn1

Aug-07-13 3:49 PM

Oh and one last point, thousands of law abiding citizens are walking around in this country everyday carrying a concealed weapon and they do so legally and responsibly. Just because some of these folks may be now part of a neighborhood watch, does not make them irresponsible if they choose to carry. The program has these rules so that it doesn't look like they are condoning everyone going out armed on these watches.

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Capricorn1

Aug-07-13 3:43 PM

Neighborhood watch programs frown upon carrying anything besides a flashlight, radio and pepper spray. However, the choice to carry a concealed weapon is strictly a personal one if you are doing it legally. The watch I was involved with in MD had the same rules, as do most watch groups nationwide, but being prior military I believed I had the training to carry, and did so. It is your constitutional right and a personal choice. However, just a bit of advice for what it's worth, before accompanying anyone on these watches, if they choose to carry, be darn sure you are comfortable knowing they know how to handle themselves. It's not a game or some action movie.

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enigma

Aug-07-13 3:20 PM

Sideliner, Police officers have no more right to self defense than any other citizen. Have you noticed that the police carry their guns all the time and not just when they are confronting a criminal. You are wrong about neighborhood watch volunteers. They are trained. They do not have the same training as the police, but they are trained. I am not saying that they should be required to carry weapons, but they should certainly not be forbidden from carrying them. I have some questions. What is with the fear of guns? Do you have the same fear of them when the police have them and if not, why do you believe that the police are so much better than the rest of us? BTW I'm not calling anyone names, I'm merely describing them.

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sideliner

Aug-07-13 2:54 PM

enigma posts: "You wouldn't dream of sending the police to patrol that same area unarmed."

Neighborhood Watch members are not police officers and shouldn't behave like them. They need to observe and report. NOT confront, attempt to stop, or get involved in any way. NW members are not trained professionals.

Sending armed roaming citizens on neighborhood patrol is a recipe for disaster. The primary deterrent factor these patrols have is their visibility, NOT their weapons. Signs posted in patrolled areas along with NW walking the streets will soon send a message to go somewhere else with their illegal activity.

Not having any personal experience to back this up, I am guessing that no criminal attempting to sleuth around in a neighborhood wants a situation where he/she is forced to pull out a weapon drawing unwanted attention.

NW should do what it is intended: observe and report. Let the police do their job as well.

BTW, enigma, what is with the name-calling?

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enigma

Aug-07-13 2:18 PM

KrazyK, The proper term is Constitutional Security Force, and it's not appropriate for a neighborhood watch. It's intended to protect the community from external threats not internal threats. That said, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have one.

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KrazyK

Aug-07-13 1:03 PM

Several who commented got it right. The people of the city need to step up and neighborhood watch groups may be the best approach.A suggestion for organization of such a group - pattern it after the Constitution Force set up by Gilberton, Pa. police chief Mark Kessler.

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SteelerFan

Aug-07-13 11:02 AM

Sham: '...Especially for those folks who LIVE, to complain...as-LONG-as it never leads to (actually) doing anything.'

Says the keyboard commando.

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GoBB62

Aug-07-13 9:20 AM

" Do you know what you call an armed neighborhood watch volunteer?

Per recent-news...I guess that'd depend on his ethnicity." -sham

Behold, another race hustler!

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Capricorn1

Aug-07-13 8:50 AM

Shaman once again you chime in with totally worthless comments that offer nothing to the conversation. You are like a drunk at a family picnic that everyone has to put up with, but wishes he would just go away. And you really need to get over the Zimmerman trial. You, and people like you weren't able to convince anyone that you knew more than the local authorities or the jury.

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MrShaman

Aug-07-13 8:42 AM

"Do you know what you call an unarmed neighborhood watch volunteer? A victim." - enigma

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Do you know what you call an armed neighborhood watch volunteer?

Per recent-news...I guess that'd depend on his ethnicity.

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GoBB62

Aug-07-13 8:39 AM

".the local-gendarmes would prefer every nut-job (with a weapon) NOT "step on their toes", while they're trying to do their job." -sham

Obviously, with that so-called intellect, you can't comprehend that the police can't be in every place at the same time." - GoBB62

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"...At least, you (and, George Zimmerman, obviously) HOPE so, right?" - sham

No, it's called "reality". A concept you have trouble dealing with

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wwhickok

Aug-07-13 8:36 AM

Unarmed or not, the citizens of Williamsport DO need to step up. Everyone likes to complain, it seems very few of you want to do something about the problems.

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MrShaman

Aug-07-13 8:35 AM

"Apparently it is easier to think the worst about the city, the people and our lives." - CMReeder

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...Especially for those folks who LIVE, to complain...as-LONG-as it never leads to (actually) doing anything.

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MrShaman

Aug-07-13 8:31 AM

".the local-gendarmes would prefer every nut-job (with a weapon) NOT "step on their toes", while they're trying to do their job." -sham

Obviously, with that so-called intellect, you can't comprehend that the police can't be in every place at the same time." - GoBB62

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...At least, you (and, George Zimmerman, obviously) HOPE so, right?

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MrShaman

Aug-07-13 8:29 AM

"Violence and illegal drugs hurt everybody. The entire community needs to step up and make a stand... Unarmed, of course."

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Maybe the public ought to carry baseball bats when they do Neighborhood Watch. The boys from the various LLB teams would probably teach the city residents how to swing the bat!" - ToTEXASfromPA

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What...your Mother wouldn't allow you to play LL, when you were younger?

I'm sure you could find some neighborhood kid, who'd show you the "finer-points" of swinging a bat.

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enigma

Aug-07-13 8:29 AM

Richard,"and despite what the mayor says, cops in black shirts won't solve the problem."

What color shirts should the police wear to make them more effective? What an idiotic statement. Almost as stupid as the 'unarmed of course' statement at the end. Why should a citizen out on the streets of a troubled neighborhood, looking for suspicious activity be unarmed, when the guys he's looking for, probably have guns. You wouldn't dream of sending the police to patrol that same area unarmed. Are citizens who don't work for the police department expendable? Do you know what you call an unarmed neighborhood watch volunteer? A victim. At least we can all say some nice things about him at the funeral. Morons like this letter writer seem willing to exchange a problem of drug dealers killing each other for a problem of drug dealers killing neighborhood watch volunteers. Sounds like a bad deal to me.

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Capricorn1

Aug-07-13 8:24 AM

Well said Spike. As to who is going to pay for the additional officers after the federal grant money runs out, the tax payers of course. The same tax payers whom I read countless letters from complaining that we didn't have enough police and how their tax dollars were being spent on everything but fighting crime. They got their wish. And Campana wants to hire 4 more I believe by 2016, and yes, the tax payers will pay for them too. That's why I've been preaching for everyone to get involved through neighborhood watches. You can add 10 more officers and continue to raise taxes and policing will still be 95% reactive. The only thing that can aid the police in being more proactive is when citizen's watch their neighborhoods and work with police to stop this crime.

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slickthedryfly

Aug-07-13 8:18 AM

Buy up all the crown vics on ebay and get volunteers to drive real fast around the streets starting at dusk. Besides, with 49 or so cops you have, plus Penn tech. cops and the state police, Christ, you have an army. You want to see how many cops you have, invite occupy for a peaceful protest and see how many cops show up with batons and riot gear.

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CMReeder

Aug-07-13 8:16 AM

Apparently it is easier to think the worst about the city, the people and our lives.

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